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audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla ladies and

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gentlemen there are petitions there are

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demonstrations and it seems that some

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people looking for disclosure managed to

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get a bunch of signatures to President

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Obama requesting disclosure of UFOs now

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as I recall in the story they got over

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12,000 signatures now remember the

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United States of America has 300 million

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people so I think you can get 12,000

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signatures for anything yeah any serious

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or wacky thing that you can imagine you

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can get a petition for it so we

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understand this all right

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but they got 12,000 I guess under those

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circumstances you'd normally wouldn't

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get a response in this case they did get

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a response from some kind of third

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assistant flunky bureaucrat I don't know

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what his name is so we'll call him third

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assistant flunky bureaucratic the flunky

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says the usual thing well the government

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has no evidence that UFOs are spaceships

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and by the way we of course can refer

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you to checking out SETI the search for

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extraterrestrial intelligence now we

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understand that the people who sign

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these petitions 12,000 people are

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serious they're well-intentioned

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but don't you think Chris O'Brien that

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maybe it doesn't always have a positive

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effect because it makes him look like

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loons well you know I think there was a

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an interesting article that Leslie Kane

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wrote here a few days back where she she

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mentioned that the language of the

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actual petition almost made it

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impossible for them to sign even if they

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did have any awareness of as I think

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that claimed an extraterrestrial

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presence engaging the human race and

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immediately released into the public

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domain all files from all agencies and

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military services relevant to this

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phenomenon first of all you know whoever

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said that we're dealing you know again I

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sound like a broken record but whoever

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said we're dealing with an

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extraterrestrial presence number one and

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number two how can the president demand

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the release of information that could

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possibly have national security

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implications for instance it just seems

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just ill-conceived the languaging of the

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actual petition I think it was just

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another attempt at grabbing some

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headlines creating some paradigm

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research group interest maybe generate a

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little bit of cash you know just keep

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the PR bandwagon going over there at at

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the PRG and I think Leslie's points are

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well-taken you just you have to write

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these things in a way that a politician

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could even consider let alone get behind

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so I just think the thing was doomed

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before it was even the first signature

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was signed the language has so much to

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do with it

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I mean if they had spelled out reasons

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to investigate what might be going on

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with some key cases maybe they could

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have gotten a better response but I

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guess they should be lucky they got

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anything at all it was doomed from the

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get-go and it's good to see that there's

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people interested enough to sign a

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petition like that but I mean the very

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fact that the White House as you said

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had a third-tier functionary come

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forward and sort of publicly deal with

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this I mean that should give mr. Bassett

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and others a pretty good idea of what

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what scale of importance this thing you

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know would have there that the White

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House level I hope it turns out to be a

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learning experience for them because at

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this point where do you go from here

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let's be open awhile sure but where do

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you go from here you sent the petition

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they said okay that was their response

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huh that's the response that's it end of

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story what do you do from there well you

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you get somebody who you get a team

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together to write this thing properly

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maybe put a clause in there saying if

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this you

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we'll reveal information about and then

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list off the various acronyms that that

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have been used in the government over

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the years relating to the UFO phenomenon

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and say that does not deal directly with

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national security or maybe a petition

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that that acknowledges that these

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objects are being dealt with in a

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national Kentucky context I mean maybe

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start and incrementally try to pry the

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door open instead of asking you know for

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the whole shootin match in one one

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sentence it's it just doesn't seem well

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conceived and an well thought out also

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could have a negative effect because all

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does is make it look like these are a

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bunch of looms and as I said at the

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beginning of the episode you can get

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twelve thousand people to sign anything

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you know let's use only 30 watt

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fluorescent lights okay that's it we

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want to have a law so only 30 watt

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fluorescent lights are used I'm sure you

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can get twelve thousand people out

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they're going to sign that that's yeah I

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think you're talking about dim bulbs in

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the pack and that's kind of what I was

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referring to before all right you said

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it I didn't let me get yourself in

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trouble there I get in enough trouble as

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it is

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Amir you have a petition the tax in all

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packs of tax can only be sharp to this

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degree of sharpness I have no idea what

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you just did on the dimmest bulb in the

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pack and the sharpest tack in the pack

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you know it's all right well it was very

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dim that was bad okay then somebody's

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gonna complain about now my corny jokes

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you see that's why I haven't given any

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corny jokes lately I decided it was

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better that you give the corny jokes by

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the way just want to mention something

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here our friend Loren Coleman has

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recently moved his International

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cryptozoology Museum it's over in Maine

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Portland Maine I'll even give the

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address because you know he deserves so

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publicity he's gonna be on the power

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cast soon anyway eleven Avon Street

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Portland Maine and the thing is open

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Wednesday through Sunday believe it or

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not so this is fascinating and it says

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here that

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admission is $7.00 each children $5.00

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that's worth it I do it sure the only

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thing if somebody's gonna have to pay my

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way to Maine but I'm sure we have some

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well-heeled listeners out there no no I

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haven't been to Maine in years you know

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that's funny I lived in New England for

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a couple of years long long time ago but

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I never went to Maine and of course I've

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never been to Spain but I kind of like

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the music there I did something bad okay

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tell me about JC Johnson oh boy yeah

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this is gonna be a real fun show

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I met JC back in 2007 I believe or 2008

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and trying to remember was it the first

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Norio Hayakawa's first Dulce bass

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conference I'm not even sure what year

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it was

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it may have been 2008 anyway I met this

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very very intriguing guy who spends

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quite a bit of time out investigating

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around the Four Corners area I think he

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would call himself first and foremost of

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cryptozoologists explain to our

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listeners what the four corners are four

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corners are the only contiguous spot in

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the United States where four states

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actually share a common point in other

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words it's the point where Colorado New

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Mexico Utah and Arizona all come

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together and you can literally put your

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hands and two states and your feet into

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other states and a lot of people who've

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been through there kind of do that and

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my hands and a lot of things I'll tell

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you yeah you stepping it too

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occasionally I'm sure of course and he

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lives in the Farmington area there which

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is fairly close to their Durango rather

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and which is two of the bigger towns he

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kind of covers that area around with all

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those states come together and he does

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quite a bit of work in the northern

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portion there of the Navajo Indian

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Reservation and there's other the Utes

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southern mountain Utes have their

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reservation around that area and he's

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just he is chock-full

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of interesting cases stories that he's

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attempted to you know backtrack and

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corroborate with other witnesses strange

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stuff I mean reptiles huge and possibly

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large snakes sightings and packs have

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Dinah's small dinosaurs the list goes on

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and on and and we're gonna have a lot of

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fun talking with JC he's he's befriended

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quite a number of navajo who trust him

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and confide in him when strange events

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happen he's right in the middle of a

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very peculiar sheep mutilation case with

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some weird crypto kind of creature that

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may be responsible and he's a

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fascinating guy JC Johnson coming up

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welcome JC Johnson and I guess the big

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question is considering this experiences

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wealth of experience he has exploring

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the strange and unknown why he has not

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been on the show before that's probably

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because we haven't asked him and we

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haven't gotten around to getting him up

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JC

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welcome to the power cast it's a

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pleasure to be here gentlemen pleasure

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you're an outdoorsman says here so your

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opposite of what I am I'm an indoors

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person I sit in front of a computer all

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day I mean I go out and work out and all

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that kind of stuff I don't do much

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on-site stuff how did you get involved

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in the kind of stuff that we deal with

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on the power cast as if probably said

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before I've been an outdoor guide off

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and on for about 20 years and what

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really triggered things is we started

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running into some furry creatures that

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walked upright on two legs back on the

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Mogollon Rim which is near paste and

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probably 98 1998 we had our first real

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experiences with these creatures at the

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time and the Mogi on monster actually it

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was in the area of Blue Ridge which is a

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lake up on the Mogollon Rim and what

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they've done is they've dammed up Clear

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Creek proper so we've got about five

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miles of water that goes one way from

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the landing you've got about six or

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seven miles of water that goes the other

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way from the landing and it looks like a

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river but it's not a river there's no

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real current but it's a lot of water to

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paddle it was a great place to take

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people fishing to it with the fishing

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trips I would do up there and we ran

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into for a while we we were curious

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about what could come into our camp and

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move around the salt and pepper shakers

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on the table you know and not knock

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stuff over and things were rearranged

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with some of our camp here some of the

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things we'd left out on the table you

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know and I started calling it Ridge bear

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whatever and they're like well you know

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a bear couldn't come in here and

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rearrange your table or not everything

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over you know kind of like Adhan a

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denial thing I knew there was something

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out there

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I knew something more than a bear was

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going on and it wasn't until a couple

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trips later I was there with my friend

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Christian it was just after ice out and

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we had this whole 12 miles of narrow

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canyon water pretty much to ourselves

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we'd run into some fishermen earlier in

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the day and they weren't gonna be

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spending the night and it was bear sign

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everywhere it was a dry kind of a dry

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spring and a dry winter for the most

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part and I decided we weren't gonna camp

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on shore there was a 10 by 15 rock about

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30 feet out in the water and I said you

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know that'll be enough room to put a

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tent on a couple of chairs our little

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barbecue and we'll just have to be

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really careful you know not to have too

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many beers and fall in and that's where

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we can't I have to tell me about what

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happens when you have all those extra

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beers but that's another story for

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another show it wasn't like we thought

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we were gonna be disturbing anybody

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because there was nobody there except

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the fishermen who had already left they

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were out in the boat and we were miles

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back from the landing so it wasn't like

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we thought we were disturbing anybody

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laughing and telling jokes and singing

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silly songs up at the top of our lungs

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we're there to have a good time and we

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probably turned it in around 10:30 11

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o'clock and I think it was on 1:00 in

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the morning I have a tendency to snore

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when I've had one too many beverages and

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I was sleeping and I woke up and I had

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shoes on me I had beer cans on me

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anything my buddy could pick up from the

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tent floor to throw at me to stop me

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from snoring he said you were snoring

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but that's not a problem and he said

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listen and I heard it coming out of the

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back Canyon and I'd heard it before and

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I Rev I never really knew what it was

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and it was off in the distance he said

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is that a cougar I said no and he says

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is that an elk I said no it's nothing

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above and it kept coming closer to us up

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on top of the ridge and what it was

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doing was ripping through the trees and

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busting branches and limbs as it came

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yeah my buddy Christian had

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served in Germany with the army and he

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was in the Black Forest and he goes it's

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a banshee

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treetops they have 3-inch long nails

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they rip you to shreds you know he was

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attributing the noise we were hearing

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with something coming through the

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treetops I was attributing the noise was

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something making its own trail as it

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came toward us and by this time it was

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right on top of us and the first thing I

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did was launch a three by five rock that

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probably weighed 150 pounds and it

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through it like a discus and it just

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missed my canoe and made a huge splash

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and the waves from the rock started

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banging the aluminum canoe up against

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the rock and this thing is still

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screaming at the top of its lungs and as

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we stick our heads out of the tent door

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he starts picking up forests de breeze

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and pelting us with it not really hard

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but enough that wow you get pine cones

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coming down you got little rocks and and

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and whatever force debris could pick up

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so we retreated back into the tent and

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we're just kind of watching the ridge

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and this thing would scream scream

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scream just a long-drawn-out horrible

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blood-curdling scream and when he

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finally took a breath it sounded like a

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300-pound lung filling up just huge

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sounds like asthma yeah then he started

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screaming again he finally left and we

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went out we were terrified the rest I

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bet you probably had some issues with

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cleaning out your drawers we climbed up

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to the top of the ridge to the next

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morning and we saw the way he came in

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and we saw the way he went out because

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he made a trail each time and when he

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did finally leave that night we could

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hear him for miles every now and then

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he'd let out a Yelp and you could just

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hear him smashing through the forest so

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I think sometime during the day we

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probably disturbed him while he was

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sleeping or something of that nature

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come to find out there were a lot of

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stories coming out of that area oh yeah

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Blue Ridge Reservoir you know as as we

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investigated and looked into it there

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were lots of stories and my friend he he

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kept calling it a banshee and it's

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mythological at this point but the blue

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rich Banshee is what we talk about when

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we talk about the furry ones over there

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the sasquatch near the Blue Ridge area

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we had a we had quite a sighting that

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I've related on the program a couple of

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times it's a Fort Apache Indian

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Reservation back in 2007 where actual

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Apache law enforcement officers in

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uniform went before you know the media

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and and did talk about a very

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interesting peeping tom sighting of a

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Bigfoot that was seen looking in the

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window of a Indian couple's house and

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left tracks around and and we've had

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reports further west of here in Williams

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area and also around Seligmann there's

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been some reports within the last four

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or five years so hey welcome to them to

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the Mogollon Rim and uh and I guess the

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Mogi on monster as is the local column

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around here I made his appearance known

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and I guess she did disturb him I've

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never heard of the vocalizations that

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you're describing attributed to this

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particular form of Bigfoot before this I

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guess kind of regional version of him

525
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you could honestly the decibels coming

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from this creature could give you

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permanent hearing damage I'm serious so

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I don't have to go to a rock concert you

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call up one of these countries we have

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JC Johnson we're exploring strange and

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unusual creatures with gene and Chris

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are tuned in to the para CASP

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stuff here that you probably won't hear

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anywhere else hear that George snoring

626
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the question is here will one day Chris

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O'Brien become a strange unusual

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creature I already am gene that's

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probably true Casey Johnson

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cryptozoologist is here to talk about

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the strange unusual creatures he's also

632
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it says here you're president of the

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North American forty in society what's

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that about that's what we're doing is

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getting different state people to

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sponsor their state there's a part where

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you can go to on the website and you can

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sign up for your state and be a state

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sponsor and it's also a way for people

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to get a hold of you also from your

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state let's say you do a search on

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Google you're looking for someone to

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talk to about us

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you had in the search engines will bring

645
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you know some traffic over to that way

646
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:11,610
they made me their president as long as

647
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,370
I agreed to give up hard liquor so I'm

648
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:16,320
still their president so this was

649
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basically instead of going to Alcoholics

650
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Anonymous you join this organization

651
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,820
they made me president to give up

652
00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:26,640
whiskey so I gave it up I did was it

653
00:28:30,740 --> 00:28:29,190
worth it I like beer just fine okay so

654
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the key is it's not the really hard

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stuff beer works wine works

656
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actually it's a joke they just kind of

657
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made me their president and I said well

658
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thank you I appreciate that now try to

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make you pleased you did so so okay you

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what tell our listeners where to find

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the site I thank you if n AF s dot net I

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00:28:54,290 --> 00:28:51,210
believe is the link to it actually

663
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:54,300
because I have this Naf society dotnet

664
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,630
oh okay I looked it up show so much I

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know and by the way we're going to have

666
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that on our site if you go to the power

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cast calm and you check out this episode

668
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,990
you could click on that link and check

669
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:08,880
out the organization how's that and also

670
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:11,820
I think I sent you a link to our crypto

671
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:16,679
four-corners page no I never made it

672
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,050
through okay that's the organization I

673
00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:21,440
am out here's where crypto for coroners

674
00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:24,270
crypto has an unknown four corners as in

675
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:26,059
were sitting right in the breadbasket of

676
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Arizona Colorado New Mexico and Utah I

677
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:31,559
can go for this it sounds like fun

678
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:31,980
though

679
00:29:38,060 --> 00:29:34,980
it really does okay let's explore more

680
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:38,070
creatures okay so you have this banshee

681
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:40,410
or whatever you encountered it was a it

682
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:42,860
was a sasquatch and I kind of went into

683
00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:45,570
denial about it and Christian even drew

684
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:47,550
a his rendition of what he thought it

685
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:50,090
was and it's a pretty horrendous looking

686
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:53,820
creature his Banshee and I was thinking

687
00:29:58,580 --> 00:29:56,700
this is this was a sasquatch and this is

688
00:30:01,760 --> 00:29:58,590
back in 1998-99

689
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:01,770
in my mind Sasquatch was a Pacific

690
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:05,220
Northwest thing I did not expect to find

691
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:07,980
them in Arizona right well did you

692
00:30:12,290 --> 00:30:10,500
notice any really good physical evidence

693
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:12,300
such as footprints maybe clumps of hair

694
00:30:17,629 --> 00:30:15,210
and these sort of droppings obviously at

695
00:30:19,729 --> 00:30:17,639
this point you're you're not really

696
00:30:23,539 --> 00:30:19,739
together your your an experiencer but

697
00:30:25,129 --> 00:30:23,549
what about the experience I mean you've

698
00:30:27,379 --> 00:30:25,139
seen this thing making tracks through

699
00:30:29,959 --> 00:30:27,389
the forest were you able to really

700
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:29,969
determine its size did you see any

701
00:30:33,979 --> 00:30:31,799
branches that were at a certain height

702
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:33,989
that would indicate its its its apparent

703
00:30:38,209 --> 00:30:36,299
size any any sort of senses I think

704
00:30:42,289 --> 00:30:38,219
we've we found branches probably broke

705
00:30:44,959 --> 00:30:42,299
probably 15 feet up fresh breaks maybe a

706
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:44,969
little bit higher just some impressions

707
00:30:49,459 --> 00:30:46,529
in the ground he didn't get into any

708
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:49,469
real muddy situations to leave us at

709
00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:51,450
pristine prints and plus you've got all

710
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,419
the pine needles now on further visits

711
00:30:58,509 --> 00:30:55,919
there to Blue Ridge yes we did

712
00:31:01,789 --> 00:30:58,519
find tracks and things of that nature

713
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:01,799
just to kind of further verify the fact

714
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:03,690
that we had something there that we

715
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:06,899
didn't expect obviously this was a kind

716
00:31:14,049 --> 00:31:09,059
of a life-changing experience I would

717
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:14,059
think for you my kind of a PTSD from

718
00:31:20,859 --> 00:31:17,159
from that experience but you know I went

719
00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:20,869
on and all I saw was this great big huge

720
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:24,359
silhouetted shape with a sliver of moon

721
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:27,089
I couldn't make out great details but it

722
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:27,809
was big

723
00:31:34,579 --> 00:31:31,190
a blob Squatch now the question here is

724
00:31:37,099 --> 00:31:34,589
until you have this up close and

725
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:37,109
personal encounter with this

726
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:39,570
bigfoot-type creature had you considered

727
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:43,919
this as a possibility before no no it

728
00:31:49,639 --> 00:31:47,369
was a complete surprise and it made it

729
00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:49,649
made a lot of other things make sense so

730
00:31:53,569 --> 00:31:51,179
the things that were coming in

731
00:31:55,849 --> 00:31:53,579
rearranging our camp tables things like

732
00:31:58,699 --> 00:31:55,859
that it's really made sense okay yeah I

733
00:32:00,379 --> 00:31:58,709
did take hands to do that and I had a

734
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,389
paddle club that would go back there in

735
00:32:04,639 --> 00:32:02,159
northern or Arizona paddle Club and

736
00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:04,649
outdoors and we'd go back in kayaks and

737
00:32:08,869 --> 00:32:06,539
canoes and so forth and we have camps

738
00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:08,879
out there for quite a bit of time and

739
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:11,399
one of my friends we nicknamed him

740
00:32:16,219 --> 00:32:14,039
captain canoe and whenever he would pull

741
00:32:19,069 --> 00:32:16,229
his tent up something would come down

742
00:32:21,229 --> 00:32:19,079
while we were out and roll around and

743
00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:21,239
dig up the ground and just roll in it

744
00:32:25,699 --> 00:32:24,119
wherever his tent was and I told you we

745
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:25,709
called it at the time it was Ridge Bear

746
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:27,419
and I said rich bears got it for you man

747
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:28,000
you

748
00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:32,710
Ridge bear was something else so someone

749
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:35,620
had quite an attraction to his scent and

750
00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:37,630
wanted to get it all over them after he

751
00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:40,870
would leave kind of a spooky proposition

752
00:32:46,110 --> 00:32:43,240
where did you grow up JC now are you a

753
00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:46,120
fairly recent transplant to the Four

754
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:48,270
Corners area

755
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:53,170
we came to Arizona in 1977 when I was 12

756
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:55,150
or 13 okay

757
00:32:59,490 --> 00:32:57,280
so so I'm sure over the years you'd

758
00:33:00,990 --> 00:32:59,500
heard stories I mean it it's hard to

759
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:01,000
live in this part of the world and not

760
00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:04,630
hear occasional stories and and you know

761
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:06,100
just accounts that are handed down from

762
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:08,520
neighbors to neighbors to you know

763
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,990
relatives and stuff in the area had you

764
00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:12,880
seen any unusual aerial objects for

765
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:14,140
instance have you heard any stories

766
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,810
prior to that I had talked to some

767
00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:18,480
Native Americans who lived along the

768
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:21,540
Little Colorado outside of Winslow and

769
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:25,530
they had an incredible track find and

770
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:30,730
just they walked for miles in the semi

771
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:34,450
sandy muddy little Colorado well in the

772
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:37,750
gorge it's up a little the Little

773
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:40,390
Colorado River up around Winslow

774
00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:42,730
Holbrook area there's no big gorgeous

775
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:45,580
there it's fairly flat it's pretty flat

776
00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:50,410
lined you know closer to you getting

777
00:33:54,570 --> 00:33:52,300
into the Grand Canyon and so forth yeah

778
00:33:57,780 --> 00:33:54,580
you do run into some really deep canyons

779
00:34:00,330 --> 00:33:57,790
back there north of Cameron yeah

780
00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:00,340
Cameron area oh it's gorgeous over there

781
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,740
to the Little Colorado bye Cameron

782
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:05,440
that's no pun intended right no pun

783
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:10,889
now you had this experience you had this

784
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:12,070
really cool experience

785
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:14,610
it was frightening it was exhilarating

786
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:17,560
did you what did you do describe your

787
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:22,810
process as a you know I guess a it's an

788
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:24,550
investigator a researcher who's starting

789
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:26,649
out I mean give our listeners a sense of

790
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:29,169
I don't think it really became an

791
00:34:34,619 --> 00:34:32,409
investigator at that time I was very

792
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:34,629
curious about this we made some more

793
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:37,060
trips back there and we'd had some more

794
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:38,770
experiences

795
00:34:44,409 --> 00:34:41,570
nothing is terrifying is that first

796
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:44,419
encounter more MORE you know some rock

797
00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:47,929
throwing the rock clicking back there is

798
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:50,360
almost a constant and I it made it

799
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:52,490
reminded me you drowned it out like

800
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,050
crickets but you can go around a corner

801
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:56,240
and you just hear the rocks going off

802
00:34:59,650 --> 00:34:58,280
and you know one section here in a

803
00:35:01,930 --> 00:34:59,660
different section there and they're just

804
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:01,940
clicking rocks and I could never explain

805
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,670
that noise and then that all kind of

806
00:35:08,830 --> 00:35:07,040
like okay that made sense and another

807
00:35:11,290 --> 00:35:08,840
night I was here by myself in the far

808
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:11,300
back canyon and I still had snow on

809
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:14,350
either side so I found a little dry

810
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:18,170
gravel bar to set my camp up on and

811
00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:21,170
there was no wood to speak of and I

812
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:23,180
really couldn't get up into the the

813
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:24,970
forest because of the snow and the ice

814
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815
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:31,820
keep a fire going in one night I heard

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like I thought it sounded like drums and

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bongos and everything else and I'm like

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what the heck you know the only one here

819
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for you know 20 square miles those are

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times where you wish you had a crowd of

821
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people around you going on with some

822
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hollow logs up there I mean they were

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getting after it like what is this all

824
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about and I came out of my tent and I

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was listening and I would hear the the

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hollow logs and booming and banging and

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down the side of the ridge and I'm like

829
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what is this went on for about 20

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minutes and it's probably about 18

831
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degrees that night I'm not in a big

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hurry to jump into a canoe and go around

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morning I was going by in the canoe and

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floating in the water and I'm like wow

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somebody was making firewood I'll get

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[Music]

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this is the skirt 7 the author us on the

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streets and you're listening to the para

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Cass

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[Music]

948
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:15,960
I'll tell you what I don't know

949
00:41:20,330 --> 00:41:18,270
JC Johnson if I want to go on one of

950
00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:20,340
these outings with you you never know

951
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:22,230
what you're gonna find because they sign

952
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me up

953
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:25,290
well yo Chris is crazy he'll go out

954
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:27,870
there anytime you know you haven't heard

955
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:30,150
anything yet well that's what I want to

956
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:32,670
ask ok so they're playing around with

957
00:41:36,350 --> 00:41:33,990
the logs okay

958
00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:36,360
that's what you're telling us so far yes

959
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:38,430
so the next morning I'm going by looking

960
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:39,780
up at the ridge where all that noise

961
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:42,750
came from and my canoe starts hitting

962
00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:44,730
these logs floating in the water and I'm

963
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:47,190
like wow somebody was making firewood

964
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:49,110
what's going on so I started picking

965
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,390
them up by the water and I loaded them

966
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,480
all in my canoe and then I got up on the

967
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:55,920
shore and I was gonna lay them out so

968
00:42:00,380 --> 00:41:58,020
the Sun could dry them and I could use

969
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:00,390
them for firewood later now the deal is

970
00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:02,970
it was green wood it was about 4 inches

971
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:03,840
in diameter

972
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:07,200
pretty pretty stout and I started

973
00:42:14,110 --> 00:42:11,340
putting the limbs trees back together on

974
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:14,120
the shore they've been twist broke apart

975
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:18,180
you would have to be Hercules to twist

976
00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:23,610
break these green logs impossible I mean

977
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:25,950
humanly impossible and I I started

978
00:42:31,820 --> 00:42:28,290
reassembling these locks up on the shore

979
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:31,830
and that was kind of freaky but I you

980
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:34,650
know I left him out there the sun dried

981
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:36,690
him all day I went off and fished and I

982
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:40,110
came back to the camp and I picked the

983
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:41,700
logs up on the way and I just kind of

984
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:43,470
looked up at the ridge and I said thanks

985
00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:46,290
Blue Ridge Banshee thank you and you

986
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:48,270
know I carted the wood off and I you

987
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:50,490
know I used it for my fire but I you

988
00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:53,070
know that was really freaky to me how

989
00:42:57,850 --> 00:42:55,950
strong something would have to be to

990
00:43:00,410 --> 00:42:57,860
twist this wood apart

991
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:00,420
she wouldn't wanna get on the wrong side

992
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:03,780
of that particular no no no okay now you

993
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:04,980
were saying there you ain't heard

994
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,530
nothing yet well we leave we leave my

995
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:13,680
daughter she's a half Navajo and I

996
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:16,070
hadn't seen her for some years

997
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:17,780
and there was something that happened

998
00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:20,630
with a communication kind of a long

999
00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:24,590
story and she found me online and she

1000
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:26,060
was looking at some outdoor pager

1001
00:43:30,730 --> 00:43:28,670
something about nature that's my dad

1002
00:43:32,620 --> 00:43:30,740
and I got back in contact with her and

1003
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:32,630
then her mother which we were you know

1004
00:43:38,110 --> 00:43:35,960
we weren't together and I was packing up

1005
00:43:40,090 --> 00:43:38,120
out of Flagstaff I was leaving selling

1006
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:40,100
everything and they were living in a

1007
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:41,810
little rock house up on the reservation

1008
00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:44,930
with no furniture nothing and I said you

1009
00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:47,420
know I just drop off all my furniture I

1010
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:48,620
think I think that was going off to

1011
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:51,260
Idaho to be a river guide or something I

1012
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:52,400
really didn't know what I was going to

1013
00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:56,480
do but came up got with my daughter

1014
00:44:02,560 --> 00:43:59,690
again enjoyed her again and then about

1015
00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:02,570
that same time some people had been

1016
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:07,070
suing Navajo damn about the releases one

1017
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:10,910
in Navajo dam had a guarantee 500 cubic

1018
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:14,030
feet per second of water coming out of

1019
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,090
the dam four downriver

1020
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:18,800
through the reservation all the way to

1021
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,500
Lake Powell and I'm like wow that

1022
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:23,200
changes a lot of things

1023
00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:25,940
guaranteed flow almost year-round plus

1024
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:28,340
all the runoff and everything else so I

1025
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:31,250
started exploring this river from

1026
00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:33,650
Shiprock down to Montezuma creeks quite

1027
00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:35,630
a few miles in it's the non-commercial

1028
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:38,420
sections and eventually we put together

1029
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:41,210
a little river company called crazy

1030
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:44,150
Canyon tours through the tribe and I

1031
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:45,860
brought one of my friends up from the

1032
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,050
Verde Valley to help me run it I used to

1033
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:50,720
run the Verde a lot especially the Wild

1034
00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:52,430
and Scenic section down there believe

1035
00:44:58,260 --> 00:44:55,790
below beastly flat I'm sure Chris is

1036
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,270
familiar with that area to make it more

1037
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:00,560
descriptive to our listeners who would

1038
00:45:05,290 --> 00:45:03,050
like to visit this area so long as they

1039
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:05,300
are not attacked by a sasquatch

1040
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:08,540
oh so many amazing stories after Verde -

1041
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:11,570
we ran into phenomena down there over

1042
00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:15,470
the years that I can explain now later

1043
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:18,680
just amazing things well you know let's

1044
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:21,170
go into some other cases and phenomena

1045
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:23,810
but one thing that Chris was mentioning

1046
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,690
to me that you once saw a gigantic snake

1047
00:45:31,459 --> 00:45:28,079
and I was thinking of the

1048
00:45:33,709 --> 00:45:31,469
smoothie anaconda with Jon Voight and I

1049
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:33,719
forget who else was in a Jennifer Lopez

1050
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:36,180
I bet was in that movie and we think of

1051
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:38,190
this 40-foot snake or something but you

1052
00:45:43,759 --> 00:45:40,380
saw something like that in reality right

1053
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:43,769
yeah we had this is back with the river

1054
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:45,900
tours and we were doing a day trip for

1055
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,930
some folks and my ex-wife was guiding

1056
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,359
with me and my my partner up from the

1057
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,640
Verde Valley was up here he was running

1058
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:55,380
sweep I was running point pretty much

1059
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:58,170
and my ex-wife comes paddling up on me

1060
00:46:02,479 --> 00:46:00,690
and she says there's a snake chasing me

1061
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:02,489
and I stuck my hand in the water it's

1062
00:46:08,749 --> 00:46:05,910
early March maybe 65 degrees out the

1063
00:46:10,759 --> 00:46:08,759
water is about 37 degrees is it cold I

1064
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,769
said there's no there's no native water

1065
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:13,440
snakes to the San Juan Basin deer yeah

1066
00:46:18,499 --> 00:46:16,200
she said it was a snake and I said come

1067
00:46:21,709 --> 00:46:18,509
on up whistle we beast the kayaks a

1068
00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:21,719
little bit and I saw the nostrils coming

1069
00:46:24,589 --> 00:46:23,640
through the water then they dived then I

1070
00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,599
go you know that could have been a

1071
00:46:30,799 --> 00:46:26,369
beaver it could have been an artery she

1072
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:30,809
goes it was a snake like okay so I light

1073
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:32,910
up a cigarette and her arm is hanging

1074
00:46:38,059 --> 00:46:35,940
over the side of her kayak his head must

1075
00:46:40,969 --> 00:46:38,069
have been right there in between our two

1076
00:46:43,249 --> 00:46:40,979
boats because he dived and when he dived

1077
00:46:49,029 --> 00:46:43,259
in 18's coil came up out of the water

1078
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:51,499
know you say eighteen-inch you talk in

1079
00:46:59,870 --> 00:46:54,209
length of diameter 18 inch around

1080
00:47:01,579 --> 00:46:59,880
yikes a black snake black I don't want

1081
00:47:03,949 --> 00:47:01,589
to say Python or anaconda Marquis it's

1082
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:03,959
probably something I really haven't seen

1083
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:07,380
before but some type of pattern on the

1084
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,049
snake I really can't you know it's

1085
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:12,119
similar to like a Python or you know

1086
00:47:16,249 --> 00:47:14,190
that that type of marking you know

1087
00:47:18,859 --> 00:47:16,259
you're thinking well it's a repatriated

1088
00:47:23,209 --> 00:47:18,869
Python or somebody let one of their pets

1089
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,219
loose and it's down here got a 38 40

1090
00:47:27,529 --> 00:47:25,619
degree water and this thing seemed to be

1091
00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:27,539
impervious to the cold water

1092
00:47:31,339 --> 00:47:29,670
so right away I wasn't started studying

1093
00:47:34,099 --> 00:47:31,349
and looking everything up and I you know

1094
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:34,109
there's no native water snakes to the

1095
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:36,049
San Juan patient no such thing

1096
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:38,609
rattlesnake across the water they don't

1097
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:39,770
like it

1098
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,780
bullsnake across the water they don't

1099
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:43,520
work the water they don't dive they

1100
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:45,110
don't swim under the water and catch

1101
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:48,560
prey beaver fish like water snakes can

1102
00:47:54,820 --> 00:47:52,190
and do so you know this one on and it

1103
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:54,830
was probably a couple years later I was

1104
00:47:58,690 --> 00:47:56,510
following up on our interview with a

1105
00:48:01,000 --> 00:47:58,700
with a gentleman who had been hauling

1106
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:01,010
water over by gubin adora

1107
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:04,190
in a big 18-wheeler and a sasquatch came

1108
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:05,990
and shook his whole rig and shook him up

1109
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:08,330
and blah blah blah and you know I just

1110
00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:10,490
kind of following up on that he started

1111
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:12,380
telling me about the swamp done by hog

1112
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:14,900
back off this off the San Juan River and

1113
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:16,310
I'm like everyone every inch of this

1114
00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:18,560
river almost swamped there are no

1115
00:48:23,410 --> 00:48:20,540
naturally occurring swamps you might get

1116
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:23,420
a few feet of swampy areas and so forth

1117
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:26,030
but as far as a swamp swamp forget it

1118
00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:29,090
well back in 2007 I did run into a

1119
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:31,700
retaining wall the tribe had put up and

1120
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:34,130
they back up the water for irrigation

1121
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:37,130
and there's about a 600 acre swamp down

1122
00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:39,170
there what this gentleman relayed to me

1123
00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:41,180
he was hanging out by the last liquor

1124
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:42,920
store for 100 miles

1125
00:48:50,530 --> 00:48:46,910
him and his buddies down by the clue

1126
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:50,540
therefore you listeners and on two

1127
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:52,430
occasions they got up in the morning and

1128
00:48:59,310 --> 00:48:56,240
one of their friends was gone you know

1129
00:49:01,900 --> 00:48:59,320
they saw was a big pathways swath

1130
00:49:04,090 --> 00:49:01,910
leaving the area and when the second day

1131
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:04,100
was gone in the morning they followed

1132
00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:07,760
the swath my witness when he saw this

1133
00:49:10,060 --> 00:49:09,500
thing swimming in about four feet of

1134
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:10,070
water

1135
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:12,770
he dropped his six-pack and he'd been

1136
00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:15,710
sober ever since and I thought about

1137
00:49:20,890 --> 00:49:17,720
this how big would you have to be to

1138
00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:20,900
ingest a human being and leave the area

1139
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:25,940
we see the 25 28 foot pythons they take

1140
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:28,130
they take a sheep they're bloated

1141
00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:30,650
they're stuck there for a while they

1142
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,900
can't move how big would you have to be

1143
00:49:38,770 --> 00:49:34,640
to ingest a human and leave the area

1144
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,780
probably 70 to 100 feet long I've got

1145
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:41,119
reports of people bumping into these

1146
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:43,490
things on the road the girth of the

1147
00:49:49,810 --> 00:49:45,970
snake comes up to the bumper on a raised

1148
00:49:51,790 --> 00:49:49,820
4x4 they turned around left the road and

1149
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:51,800
tried to get around it on another little

1150
00:49:56,070 --> 00:49:52,990
two-track road

1151
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:56,080
there's the tail across the road they're

1152
00:50:00,750 --> 00:49:58,450
estimating from the tail and assuming

1153
00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:00,760
its head was down near the river they

1154
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:02,260
were estimating it at over a hundred

1155
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:05,890
feet long but that's that's beyond any

1156
00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:08,680
sort of record I think the record for an

1157
00:50:12,690 --> 00:50:11,350
anaconda is what about this under fifty

1158
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:12,700
feet I mean there's there some evidence

1159
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:15,550
that they can get possibly as big as 60

1160
00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:18,970
feet but to be in a desert desert like

1161
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,860
or semi-arid desert environment and to

1162
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:22,240
be so large it would be almost

1163
00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:24,130
impossible for something like that to

1164
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:25,720
remain hidden it's almost like we're

1165
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:27,150
talking about some sort of paranormal

1166
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:31,119
creature I mean I it's it's even beyond

1167
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,250
the realm of crypto in my mind I mean

1168
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:35,440
how could something that big survive in

1169
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,800
the high mountain desert area it's help

1170
00:50:43,859 --> 00:50:41,440
me out here JC I thank you that whatever

1171
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:43,869
this is is warm-blooded is warm-blooded

1172
00:50:48,359 --> 00:50:46,570
and I think it's it's indigenous to the

1173
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:48,369
area I don't think it's very normal

1174
00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:51,040
not to snake in them to many sightings

1175
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:53,230
too many people too many sheep herders

1176
00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:55,900
telling us stories about wrestling with

1177
00:51:00,120 --> 00:50:57,640
a snake that's got their sheep in its

1178
00:51:02,370 --> 00:51:00,130
mouth and two or three guys trying to

1179
00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:02,380
pull the Sheep out and the snake wins

1180
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:05,350
and rolls back down into the water with

1181
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,930
a sheep you know there's too many

1182
00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:10,240
stories about these things gathering

1183
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:13,240
calories obviously a hundred-foot snake

1184
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:16,720
could probably ingest a human about like

1185
00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:18,310
a field mouse I guess you know it

1186
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,380
wouldn't be that big of a deal to ingest

1187
00:51:25,260 --> 00:51:22,800
a human and leave the area

1188
00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:25,270
hear about that that's the worst horror

1189
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:29,470
movie of all from JC Johnson Wow I don't

1190
00:51:32,849 --> 00:51:31,030
want to be on those trips when those

1191
00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:32,859
creatures are afoot you're listening to

1192
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1195
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have you ever wondered why banks

1210
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:25,540
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

1211
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:27,130
talk about gold IRAs they've been

1212
00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:29,290
available since 1986 yet the financial

1213
00:52:32,370 --> 00:52:30,820
industry won't recognize the value of

1214
00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:32,380
gold for your retirement gold has

1215
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:34,150
outperformed paper investments yet no

1216
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:35,890
word about IRAs if you would like to

1217
00:53:04,440 --> 00:52:59,620
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1218
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:04,450
standard of paranormal radio and now

1219
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,110
here's Jane Steinberg okay so basically

1220
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,000
Chris O'Brien's taking on his

1221
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,880
cryptozoological voice getting deeper

1222
00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:19,520
and deeper as we think about the strange

1223
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:22,070
creatures now we have people in our

1224
00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:24,550
forums JC Johnson who are skeptical

1225
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:27,470
about the reality of a lot of strange

1226
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:28,970
things so they're going to demand

1227
00:53:34,450 --> 00:53:33,110
evidence so to start with anything all

1228
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:34,460
this stuff is going on

1229
00:53:41,020 --> 00:53:37,730
what about photographic evidence nothing

1230
00:53:43,390 --> 00:53:41,030
so far as you could go with the snake I

1231
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:43,400
do have a youtube video crypto

1232
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:50,090
four-corners CR y PT o f lu r cor and e

1233
00:53:56,260 --> 00:53:52,610
RS crypto four corners channel on

1234
00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:56,270
youtube and we do have a witness we

1235
00:54:00,040 --> 00:53:58,520
leave our vehicles he's out in the

1236
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:00,050
middle of nowhere he's over by the four

1237
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:02,450
corners national monument out in the

1238
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:04,430
sticks a little bit we leave our

1239
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:06,050
vehicles there sometimes for two or

1240
00:54:10,450 --> 00:54:08,690
three days on these River trips until we

1241
00:54:14,050 --> 00:54:10,460
can come back and retrieve the vehicles

1242
00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:14,060
and he came down one day on a I think it

1243
00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:18,740
was July this 7th 2007 the seventh 7/7

1244
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:21,230
trip I was with Manny wheeler from the

1245
00:54:25,330 --> 00:54:23,330
herd Museum and and some other good

1246
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:25,340
friends I just met that we had a great

1247
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:27,770
time down there but he started telling

1248
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:30,290
about a 30 to 40 foot snake on the

1249
00:54:36,190 --> 00:54:33,050
opposite bank of the river that his sons

1250
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:36,200
saw out sunning itself so you know

1251
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:38,210
another eyewitness encounter and I've

1252
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:40,610
got him you know I've taped him and I

1253
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,350
probably you know I've probably got some

1254
00:54:47,110 --> 00:54:44,480
snake trails I could attribute to some

1255
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,120
maybe something 15 feet long not that

1256
00:54:51,970 --> 00:54:49,760
big but the thing is we've seen these

1257
00:54:55,060 --> 00:54:51,980
black snakes come up out of the water

1258
00:54:56,650 --> 00:54:55,070
smaller ones and it kind of scare you

1259
00:54:58,270 --> 00:54:56,660
because it the head pops up out of the

1260
00:55:01,360 --> 00:54:58,280
water and they look like you know a sea

1261
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:01,370
serpent and they look at you and then

1262
00:55:05,020 --> 00:55:03,770
they go back in the water so you know I

1263
00:55:07,830 --> 00:55:05,030
don't have to catch one of these

1264
00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:07,840
leviathans I can catch

1265
00:55:12,830 --> 00:55:10,840
a smaller one of these snakes well that

1266
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:12,840
would have to turn that would turn the

1267
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:15,010
scientists on they're here because there

1268
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:18,430
are no large you know snakes and in in

1269
00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:20,830
the high mountain desert Ares I mean

1270
00:55:24,810 --> 00:55:22,120
timber rattlers about his because you

1271
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:24,820
know yet they may get ten feet but I've

1272
00:55:28,590 --> 00:55:25,900
seen one eight feet

1273
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:28,600
it's almost terrified I've ever been in

1274
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:31,030
my life I almost stepped on one so there

1275
00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:35,350
are large Rattlers pit vipers but what

1276
00:55:38,310 --> 00:55:37,750
you're describing is is so off the

1277
00:55:41,490 --> 00:55:38,320
charts

1278
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:41,500
in terms of scientific believability I

1279
00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:44,290
mean your average you know biologists

1280
00:55:53,490 --> 00:55:49,590
would never be something like that a

1281
00:55:56,370 --> 00:55:53,500
rock python if a rock python wintered

1282
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,380
here he would get up under the bank and

1283
00:56:00,540 --> 00:55:58,480
a rock python might make it here the

1284
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:00,550
winter but I really can't see a

1285
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:02,470
cold-blooded creature using the water

1286
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:05,350
the way these these snakes are in the

1287
00:56:10,170 --> 00:56:07,540
wintertime and so forth it's just it's

1288
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:10,180
unfathomable something cold-blooded to

1289
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:12,010
be in near freezing water temperatures

1290
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:13,630
and be able to move around and navigate

1291
00:56:19,470 --> 00:56:16,240
you know it it makes me scratch my head

1292
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,480
to believe it well I you know I thought

1293
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:21,760
maybe those poor sheep herders it out

1294
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:23,770
there they would have you know enough on

1295
00:56:27,570 --> 00:56:25,690
their hands dealing with impossible

1296
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:27,580
sheep rustlers and stuff but they'd have

1297
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:30,070
to wrestle with a 40 50 60 foot snake

1298
00:56:32,910 --> 00:56:31,690
because it's trying to make a meal out

1299
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:32,920
of one of your sheep that would be

1300
00:56:38,310 --> 00:56:35,920
pretty scary in I'm sure on especially

1301
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,320
on the Navajo Reservation that that

1302
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:40,960
would be something that would freak the

1303
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:43,780
neighborhood out big-time I was talking

1304
00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:46,960
with another gentleman one was caught a

1305
00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:49,870
black snake was caught in an irrigation

1306
00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:54,070
pipe a very large irrigation pipe and he

1307
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:55,870
said the head was probably two feet

1308
00:57:02,190 --> 00:56:59,200
across and it was stuck in the pipe and

1309
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:02,200
he went home to get his shotgun and he

1310
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,330
was gonna dispatch this thing and drag

1311
00:57:09,330 --> 00:57:06,640
it out of the pipe because he could you

1312
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:09,340
could tell it was stuck when he got back

1313
00:57:12,930 --> 00:57:11,290
it was already gone so it must have

1314
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:12,940
gotten out dropped into the irrigation

1315
00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:14,530
water and took off

1316
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:16,660
we've had some mysterious deaths and

1317
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:19,210
some of the irrigation channels on the

1318
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,830
reservation where people just been

1319
00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:21,760
pulled down

1320
00:57:27,140 --> 00:57:24,520
by something and they disappear that

1321
00:57:30,090 --> 00:57:27,150
sounds like a horror movie

1322
00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:30,100
are there any traditional legends myths

1323
00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:32,230
stories on the rez I personally have

1324
00:57:42,090 --> 00:57:38,320
never heard okay Pulu Liu Kang is a Hopi

1325
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:42,100
version of yours that may be related but

1326
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:44,740
why don't you give us some more of a pre

1327
00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:47,050
historical sense of how the natives knew

1328
00:57:51,150 --> 00:57:48,940
these things they stay away from them

1329
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,160
typically the snake is not a good thing

1330
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,680
in Native American lore in fact most of

1331
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:55,119
them are supposed to have them for pets

1332
00:58:00,420 --> 00:57:57,790
or anything of that nature there's

1333
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:00,430
there's big taboo with snakes but yeah I

1334
00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:01,810
was probably just going to share some of

1335
00:58:05,790 --> 00:58:04,270
the Hopi stories of the giant snakes and

1336
00:58:07,770 --> 00:58:05,800
they still have giant snakes up there

1337
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:07,780
they won't let you see they won't share

1338
00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:11,500
with science that they feed and use in

1339
00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:14,740
ceremonies well there was one that they

1340
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:19,480
fed babies oh man yeah and I heard the

1341
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:23,050
story in an Rancher came across a swath

1342
00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:27,250
in the snow about three feet wide and he

1343
00:58:32,609 --> 00:58:29,950
followed it for some miles and he was

1344
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:32,619
pretty convinced that it was one of

1345
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:35,200
those snakes that had gotten away or had

1346
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:38,800
been turned loose that's spooky

1347
00:58:45,090 --> 00:58:42,310
Leonard Dan has a contact with the

1348
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:45,100
Laguna Pueblo people Chief Dan Leonard

1349
00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:47,590
and he's Navajo elder known him for

1350
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:50,590
about 20 years married in with with his

1351
00:58:54,990 --> 00:58:53,710
stepdaughter 20-some years ago so we're

1352
00:58:56,940 --> 00:58:55,000
not married anymore but I've known him

1353
00:58:59,280 --> 00:58:56,950
that long and I've got to travel the

1354
00:59:01,080 --> 00:58:59,290
country with him he could he could track

1355
00:59:04,170 --> 00:59:01,090
a cricket through the snowstorm he's

1356
00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:04,180
just amazing tracker and an amazing

1357
00:59:08,930 --> 00:59:07,180
knowledge and wisdom but he was talking

1358
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:08,940
with a branch over by Laguna Pueblo

1359
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:13,210
where two of the riders over a period of

1360
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:16,510
time did not come back that were out

1361
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,609
working the cattle and such and all they

1362
00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:21,280
found was some of the horse tack and

1363
00:59:26,970 --> 00:59:22,780
saddles and it said they'd look like

1364
00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:26,980
they'd passed through acid the story

1365
00:59:33,660 --> 00:59:31,900
goes he finally trailed this thing and

1366
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:33,670
he wasn't got a bunch of help from his

1367
00:59:37,420 --> 00:59:35,089
family

1368
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:37,430
to kill it but it was some type of snake

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00:59:45,130 --> 00:59:41,599
in a hundred-foot variety and it had

1370
00:59:47,049 --> 00:59:45,140
taken horse and rider we I hear this you

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00:59:50,289 --> 00:59:47,059
know I'm thinking here all this stuff is

1372
00:59:52,359 --> 00:59:50,299
going on people are getting killed why

1373
00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:52,369
isn't the scientific community coming

1374
00:59:57,309 --> 00:59:54,109
over and investigating and figuring out

1375
00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:57,319
what is going on I think all we can do

1376
01:00:02,319 --> 00:59:59,450
is make the best case for what's going

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01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:02,329
on out here and we've probably got well

1378
01:00:07,509 --> 01:00:04,930
over thirty videos up on the YouTube

1379
01:00:09,069 --> 01:00:07,519
with different investigations different

1380
01:00:12,009 --> 01:00:09,079
genres and things like that we're just

1381
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:12,019
making a good case for what we're doing

1382
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:15,650
here now a lot of this stuff never makes

1383
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:23,569
it off the res no I was watching Chris

1384
01:00:28,839 --> 01:00:26,960
on a video I think he got taped about

1385
01:00:31,059 --> 01:00:28,849
the same time I was taped up there at

1386
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:31,069
the Dulce conference but you know I

1387
01:00:35,799 --> 01:00:33,710
remember Chris talking about I'd like to

1388
01:00:36,729 --> 01:00:35,809
write a book about your skinwalkers

1389
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:36,739
you've just something about skinwalkers

1390
01:00:43,299 --> 01:00:39,680
I can't get anybody to talk you know and

1391
01:00:45,969 --> 01:00:43,309
with our documentary Navajo skinwalkers

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01:00:48,940 --> 01:00:45,979
and legends we do have quite a few on

1393
01:00:54,579 --> 01:00:48,950
cameras with people in talking about the

1394
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:54,589
john run what they saw yeah that brings

1395
01:00:59,079 --> 01:00:57,170
up a really interesting sort of topic

1396
01:01:01,089 --> 01:00:59,089
here let's talk about skinwalkers a

1397
01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:01,099
little bit first why don't you go ahead

1398
01:01:07,299 --> 01:01:03,700
for our audience and define what a

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01:01:09,609 --> 01:01:07,309
traditional skinwalker is and and then

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:09,619
look at how this particular term has

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01:01:14,410 --> 01:01:11,930
been kind of morphed into the modern era

1402
01:01:16,359 --> 01:01:14,420
and described by a couple of your cases

1403
01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:16,369
I mean this is fascinating material and

1404
01:01:23,739 --> 01:01:17,960
not for the faint of heart

1405
01:01:26,499 --> 01:01:23,749
I must add the skinwalker will go back

1406
01:01:29,620 --> 01:01:26,509
with Adonai the Navajo once upon a time

1407
01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:29,630
the skinwalker worked with the Danai the

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:32,150
Navajo they would take a shape and go

1409
01:01:38,529 --> 01:01:36,130
spy on the conquistadors the Spanish

1410
01:01:41,620 --> 01:01:38,539
changed meaning they were shapeshifters

1411
01:01:43,799 --> 01:01:41,630
yes okay so they could basically turn

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01:01:47,650 --> 01:01:43,809
themselves into anyone or anything I

1413
01:01:48,790 --> 01:01:47,660
think they're limited on that and I

1414
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:48,800
think it's their study

1415
01:01:53,020 --> 01:01:50,690
their case study of whatever whatever it

1416
01:01:54,490 --> 01:01:53,030
is they want to emulate whatever animal

1417
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:54,500
they want to emulate

1418
01:01:58,330 --> 01:01:56,450
I think there's somewhat limited I don't

1419
01:02:00,610 --> 01:01:58,340
think you could go from a grizzly bear

1420
01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:00,620
to an elk to a coyote I don't I don't

1421
01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:03,230
think they have that ability I could be

1422
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:05,960
mistaken but they would find the cavalry

1423
01:02:12,370 --> 01:02:09,410
also and come back and until what was

1424
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:12,380
going on what they understood where the

1425
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:13,910
attack was gonna be things like that

1426
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:15,470
they used to work with the de neige the

1427
01:02:20,860 --> 01:02:18,710
Navajo when we go to Fort Sumner when

1428
01:02:22,450 --> 01:02:20,870
the Navajos are all rounded up and

1429
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:22,460
incarcerated the ones that could catch

1430
01:02:26,980 --> 01:02:24,770
and capture they learned the white man

1431
01:02:30,730 --> 01:02:26,990
ways in fact you know your traditional

1432
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,740
blue velvet dressing of the Navajo isn't

1433
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their tradition it's the color of the

1434
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Calvary and that's you see them dressing

1435
01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:37,610
like that with that blue color they got

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that from the Calvary the skinwalker is

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being defined explained you see Johnson

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please continue your description well

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the incarceration is where they came up

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with their love for silver and things

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01:07:43,690 --> 01:07:40,940
like that because they saw the buttons

1550
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,700
on the Calvary uniforms and a lot of the

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01:07:47,980 --> 01:07:45,680
Calvary men wore silver and things like

1552
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:47,990
that and you know they came away with

1553
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:49,910
some really bad habits from their

1554
01:07:56,830 --> 01:07:53,450
incarceration they came to know the

1555
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,840
white man's flour the white man's coffee

1556
01:08:00,970 --> 01:07:58,400
and things like that you know they

1557
01:08:02,650 --> 01:08:00,980
wanted these things once they were set

1558
01:08:04,570 --> 01:08:02,660
free and they went back to their home

1559
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:04,580
place they'd also learned what

1560
01:08:09,940 --> 01:08:06,530
possessions were they also learned what

1561
01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:09,950
property was and things like that and

1562
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:12,710
where they didn't have that need before

1563
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:14,480
everything belonged to all of them and

1564
01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:16,670
they all shared it they get sounds like

1565
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:18,470
I'm gonna be funny about this it sounds

1566
01:08:23,530 --> 01:08:20,690
like they were communists probably more

1567
01:08:25,930 --> 01:08:23,540
along the lines of socialism I would say

1568
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:25,940
but you they all work together they got

1569
01:08:28,570 --> 01:08:27,290
the food up for the winter to get

1570
01:08:30,670 --> 01:08:28,580
through a hard winter I mean they all

1571
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:30,680
had to work together out of necessity

1572
01:08:35,050 --> 01:08:33,230
when they get back they go back to their

1573
01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:35,060
tribal lands they're all a lot of

1574
01:08:39,309 --> 01:08:37,460
different sections of land and they

1575
01:08:41,530 --> 01:08:39,319
start running sheep where they can they

1576
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:41,540
run cattle and so forth they've learned

1577
01:08:45,849 --> 01:08:44,480
jealousy perhaps your neighbors doing a

1578
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:45,859
lot better with his sheep and cattle

1579
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:48,170
than you are well skinwalkers still

1580
01:08:51,550 --> 01:08:49,730
around the ones who knew how to do it

1581
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:51,560
they're still around but they aren't

1582
01:08:56,710 --> 01:08:54,650
really in the mind to help anybody

1583
01:08:59,650 --> 01:08:56,720
there used to go out and curse people

1584
01:09:02,050 --> 01:08:59,660
there used to go out and frighten people

1585
01:09:02,539 --> 01:09:02,060
and kill people because they'd learned

1586
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:02,549
the

1587
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:04,739
white man ways where skin-walker used to

1588
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:07,230
help the de neige the Navajo skinwalker

1589
01:09:16,819 --> 01:09:10,250
becomes an instrument of evil for higher

1590
01:09:19,579 --> 01:09:16,829
supernatural hit man yeah yeah so what

1591
01:09:22,459 --> 01:09:19,589
happens let's talk about modern day I

1592
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,469
want to join this exclusive club for

1593
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:24,480
whatever reason I have to bring in

1594
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:27,000
someone near and dear to me perhaps a

1595
01:09:31,819 --> 01:09:29,940
sibling a brother a sister a mother or a

1596
01:09:34,069 --> 01:09:31,829
grandmother someone that's near and dear

1597
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,079
that I love dearly and they're going to

1598
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:36,719
be sacrificed then we're going to dine

1599
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:39,089
on some of the softer tissues of the

1600
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:41,250
body there will be some elders who will

1601
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:43,650
probably practice some necrophilia if

1602
01:09:47,689 --> 01:09:46,409
they find the corpse pleasing enough and

1603
01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:47,699
then from there we're gonna make potions

1604
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:50,190
and powders and everything else out of

1605
01:09:54,859 --> 01:09:52,920
the sacrifice I've brought in from there

1606
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,869
I'm going to apprentice with an elder

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:09:56,400
and I'm going to start to wear the hide

1608
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,130
of the animal that suits me or the

1609
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:01,199
animal I'm going to emulate and

1610
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:03,449
eventually with enough evil are you are

1611
01:10:09,589 --> 01:10:07,110
prescribing like a medicine Society so

1612
01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:09,599
in other words this is a this is a I

1613
01:10:13,549 --> 01:10:11,820
would say secret probably a secret

1614
01:10:15,799 --> 01:10:13,559
society of witches basically is what

1615
01:10:18,260 --> 01:10:15,809
you're describing very diabolical yes

1616
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:18,270
very diabolical so as you apprentice

1617
01:10:22,879 --> 01:10:20,730
eventually there's a transition at some

1618
01:10:25,879 --> 01:10:22,889
point in time you're actually probably

1619
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:25,889
able to emulate whatever you're trying

1620
01:10:31,220 --> 01:10:29,280
to be probably 80 or 90 percent maybe a

1621
01:10:32,899 --> 01:10:31,230
little bit better than that typically

1622
01:10:35,839 --> 01:10:32,909
what I've investigated out here almost

1623
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,849
90% of what I run into and the reason we

1624
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,679
went out on all this stuff is because

1625
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:39,840
when we decided we were going to go

1626
01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:42,360
after this especially when I relocated

1627
01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:44,670
to the Four Corners area we followed up

1628
01:10:50,569 --> 01:10:47,460
on every sighting a lot of times a

1629
01:10:52,459 --> 01:10:50,579
skinwalker siding with Mehsana

1630
01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:52,469
and che the grandmother grandfather type

1631
01:10:57,140 --> 01:10:54,150
you know everything is Yates on the

1632
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:57,150
eighth so Jana who's she whatever we

1633
01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:59,130
followed up on everything no matter what

1634
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,800
it was we followed up on it and the more

1635
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:03,360
I found out about skinwalker and like I

1636
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:04,770
said I've been with the DNA in Navajo

1637
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:08,329
over 20 years I've had my fair share of

1638
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:11,610
diet of what these are and it's not

1639
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:13,710
something I really paid a lot of

1640
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:15,600
attention to them AG this is called

1641
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:18,210
sure this is blah blah blah you know the

1642
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:19,800
more we found out about what it was

1643
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,800
really all about and 90% of the people I

1644
01:11:26,830 --> 01:11:24,480
work with and my crew out here a Native

1645
01:11:30,410 --> 01:11:26,840
American and they all agree that

1646
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:30,420
homicide and necrophilia cannibalism and

1647
01:11:35,660 --> 01:11:33,150
child abuse have no place in any culture

1648
01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:35,670
so it's not a culture thing and I'm not

1649
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:37,590
going to regard it as such this is just

1650
01:11:44,210 --> 01:11:41,040
pure unadulterated evil I've seen it

1651
01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:44,220
destroy entire clans of Navajo I've seen

1652
01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:47,460
it destroy families of Navajo once

1653
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,380
you're in this Club you need to go out

1654
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:52,560
and turn all your immediate relation

1655
01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:55,290
into this plot and they need to become a

1656
01:12:01,540 --> 01:11:57,480
part of it or eventually they become a

1657
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:01,550
sacrifice or die of mysterious causes

1658
01:12:07,460 --> 01:12:05,520
car accidents things like that heart

1659
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:07,470
attacks they've got powders that give

1660
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:09,060
you a heart attack they've got powders

1661
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:12,210
that make your throat just shut and you

1662
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:14,550
suffocate you die there's really nasty

1663
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,820
nasty stuff boy it's kind of tough to

1664
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:19,440
follow up on that well one thing that

1665
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:23,040
I've discovered JC in in my research is

1666
01:12:28,670 --> 01:12:26,010
that if there is one subject that is the

1667
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:28,680
most taboo subjects with the Danae

1668
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:31,770
Apache and Navajo for that matter it

1669
01:12:36,530 --> 01:12:33,570
would be the subject of skinwalkers and

1670
01:12:39,140 --> 01:12:36,540
I've also discovered what I feel are

1671
01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:39,150
accounts of wannabe skinwalkers who palm

1672
01:12:46,210 --> 01:12:41,300
themselves off as the real thing

1673
01:12:49,670 --> 01:12:46,220
being used to you know create mischief

1674
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:49,680
among enemies of the particular person

1675
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:52,050
that hires them that okay so these are

1676
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:53,970
just regular people who pretend to be

1677
01:12:59,480 --> 01:12:56,970
paranormal people exactly but one thing

1678
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,490
that that I think separates the the

1679
01:13:04,670 --> 01:13:01,440
wannabe types with the real thing is

1680
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:04,680
that alleged ability to shape-shift and

1681
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:06,510
and I think this is one of the key

1682
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:09,930
things that actually inspired me to to

1683
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:12,690
do all the research that I went into my

1684
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:15,360
book on the trickster and these are

1685
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:17,910
tricks to type forms and they allegedly

1686
01:13:24,170 --> 01:13:21,990
are able to they do have this fantastic

1687
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:24,180
ability of shape-shifting even to into

1688
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:27,690
balls of light it depends on which

1689
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:29,130
particular Pablo

1690
01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:31,409
you go to in the on the rio grande for

1691
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:32,790
instance it was there was kind of a

1692
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:35,850
variation that absent flows up the Rio

1693
01:13:41,180 --> 01:13:38,489
Grande but the the purest tradition of

1694
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:41,190
this which JC has been describing is the

1695
01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:42,810
de neige tradition and the Apache

1696
01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:45,960
tradition and why don't you describe to

1697
01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:47,699
us some of the cases that you've

1698
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:51,719
actually gone out on your documentary I

1699
01:13:56,090 --> 01:13:53,130
think is a must-see for anybody

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01:13:58,850 --> 01:13:56,100
interested in this subject and describe

1701
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:58,860
some of the the more prevalent types of

1702
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:00,780
encounters that people driving through

1703
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:02,760
the res for instance would would have

1704
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:05,610
just an incidental coincidental

1705
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:09,120
encounter with a form like this a black

1706
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:11,489
magician type form once again like I

1707
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:13,500
said probably almost everything I've

1708
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:15,900
investigators is a Wolfen type creature

1709
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:18,900
that walks upright as in something akin

1710
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:21,300
to a werewolf only these are something

1711
01:14:27,919 --> 01:14:24,090
different because we do look into the

1712
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:27,929
we're the where is a Caucasian thing

1713
01:14:33,919 --> 01:14:31,320
almost exclusively a Caucasian thing as

1714
01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:33,929
in werewolf that's another story

1715
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,400
alright that's an interesting question

1716
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:38,400
here why only white werewolves why not

1717
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,860
black or Asian werewolves well I'm sure

1718
01:14:45,979 --> 01:14:43,679
that's the possibilities too but it's

1719
01:14:48,740 --> 01:14:45,989
been our experience we found a weird

1720
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:48,750
track on the reservation a few years

1721
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:51,570
back and it just really struck me funny

1722
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:54,420
or were they doing out here and the

1723
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:57,210
skinwalker avoid the weird they don't

1724
01:15:00,979 --> 01:14:58,920
have anything to do with them they're

1725
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:00,989
all evil I mean they can probably get

1726
01:15:05,540 --> 01:15:03,239
together and sit down with some at an

1727
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:05,550
evil bar somewhere I don't know but you

1728
01:15:09,379 --> 01:15:07,500
know evil bar you know I want to tell

1729
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:09,389
you something before we go on I'm

1730
01:15:14,060 --> 01:15:11,940
listening to this discussion about all

1731
01:15:15,729 --> 01:15:14,070
these creatures not thinking the TV show

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True Blood

1733
01:15:20,899 --> 01:15:18,239
yeah with because all these creatures

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01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:20,909
are just part of the environment you

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01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:22,230
don't think about them of course in True

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Blood you have vampires and werewolves

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01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:26,159
and shapeshifters and heaven knows what

1738
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:28,110
heaven knows what kind of creature we're

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01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,510
going to be exposed to next with JC

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getting creeped out just sitting here at

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and watching okay now in terms of a

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skinwalker tell me

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JC Johnson doesn't have a native shape

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is there a specific shape that it will

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go back to or start with you know

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interviewing people and so forth who

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have had encounters and used firearms

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when they were in a physical form and

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pursued these things

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the wolf prints turn into human

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footprints in the sand and a lot of

1848
01:20:59,780 --> 01:20:57,720
times they've tracked them down to a

1849
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hole gone they've gone to to take

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shelter in or their home place and they

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become a person again this is a concern

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01:21:09,950 --> 01:21:07,890
of ours if you really careful what you

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shoot out there you know you don't know

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01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:11,730
if it's gonna turn back into a person

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and when you talk to a person how do you

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know it's not one of them exactly and

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that's why Chief Dan Leonard Dan it's

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like be careful in a crowd they'll go

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throw this powder on you or they'll put

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it on your popcorn sure you walking

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around go out where you where you've

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taken a leak out in the sand or that's

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why Navajo never leave their shoes

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outside of the Hogan here's a whole

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cultural system of protection that has

1866
01:21:45,620 --> 01:21:42,330
developed over the eons had many

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01:21:47,690 --> 01:21:45,630
generations where there's certain things

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01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:47,700
that a skinwalker if it gathers you know

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01:21:54,590 --> 01:21:51,930
but nail clippings hair cuttings you

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01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:54,600
know residue from inside your shoes for

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01:21:58,670 --> 01:21:56,070
instance these are things that a

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01:22:00,650 --> 01:21:58,680
skinwalker in the tradition are able to

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01:22:02,210 --> 01:22:00,660
utilize and so yeah

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01:22:04,130 --> 01:22:02,220
Navaho are very very careful about this

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01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:04,140
and I've mentioned there's something to

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01:22:09,260 --> 01:22:07,080
me Chris how do they utilize this what

1877
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:09,270
do they do with that stuff it's a form

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01:22:15,620 --> 01:22:12,030
of sympathetic magic in a sense it

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01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:15,630
skinwalker requires I think from my

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01:22:20,150 --> 01:22:17,580
limited knowledge Jacy knows a lot more

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01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:20,160
about this so I would love to hear your

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01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:22,410
comments JC on this but from what I

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01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:25,290
gather the easiest and most direct way

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01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:28,170
for a skinwalker to you know do whatever

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01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:30,510
task it is that they've been hired for

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01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,310
or whatever task it is that they're

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01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:35,280
trying to accomplish is to gather actual

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01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:37,650
genetic material from a victim and then

1889
01:22:43,460 --> 01:22:39,990
that way they can they can do this form

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01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:43,470
of very intense sympathetic magic I

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01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:44,690
think for lack of a better term

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01:22:50,210 --> 01:22:47,130
JC you've heard that too I'm sure oh

1893
01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:50,220
absolutely absolutely the problem we've

1894
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:53,420
got with and I don't know when Ron James

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:22:56,370
did that production mysterious creatures

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01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:00,210
of the Southwest you guys were great

1897
01:23:04,970 --> 01:23:02,970
about letting me share without being

1898
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:04,980
edited huh the skinwalker and I

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01:23:09,860 --> 01:23:08,040
appreciate that sympathetic magic I

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01:23:12,220 --> 01:23:09,870
don't know and I've seen a lot of

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01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:12,230
psychosomatic things happen to people

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01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:15,960
also that worries me I think the thing

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01:23:21,290 --> 01:23:17,850
that wears me most is when they take on

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01:23:23,690 --> 01:23:21,300
a shape that can be a destructive shape

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01:23:25,970 --> 01:23:23,700
we've got a nine foot tall wolf and

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01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:25,980
individual he could rip that door off

1907
01:23:30,860 --> 01:23:28,980
and go inside and get those kids he

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01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:30,870
could he crashed through the window and

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:33,810
go and get those kids if you remember I

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01:23:40,850 --> 01:23:37,650
think it was Emily when she was maybe

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01:23:42,410 --> 01:23:40,860
seven or eight and her younger cousins

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01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:42,420
and siblings they're in the home and

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01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:44,610
they were home alone this thing standing

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01:23:48,980 --> 01:23:45,810
right outside the door and it's trying

1915
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:48,990
to hypnotize her niece to open the door

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01:23:53,930 --> 01:23:51,540
invite me in invite me and that's what's

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01:23:55,610 --> 01:23:53,940
going on with that but they can't come

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01:23:58,670 --> 01:23:55,620
in they can't just bash the door down

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01:24:04,100 --> 01:23:58,680
there's divine protection I believe in a

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01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:04,110
lot of cases where they can only get in

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01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:06,090
your house if you invite them in is it

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01:24:11,690 --> 01:24:09,170
is the old folkloric tradition

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01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:11,700
another thing they'll break glass all

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01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:12,480
around the outside

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01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:14,910
their Hogan is like an early warning

1926
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:16,590
system so that if they hear the

1927
01:24:19,850 --> 01:24:18,450
crunching glass that though they'll be

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01:24:21,710 --> 01:24:19,860
alerted to the presence of something

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01:24:23,900 --> 01:24:21,720
that shouldn't be there but but

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01:24:27,229 --> 01:24:23,910
skinwalkers also the ability that I find

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01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:27,239
most disturbing this alleged ability of

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01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:30,210
these dark adepts as I call them because

1933
01:24:34,490 --> 01:24:32,130
they are they are like black magicians

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01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:34,500
basically I think in the if you had to

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01:24:40,729 --> 01:24:37,310
boil it down to a particular finition

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01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:40,739
the ability to lock eyes with an

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01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:43,110
individual and then jump into them and

1938
01:24:47,180 --> 01:24:45,210
they totally take over their motor

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01:24:49,700 --> 01:24:47,190
skills so the person is totally

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01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:49,710
conscious but something else is making

1941
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:51,540
them walk making them talk making them

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01:24:55,940 --> 01:24:53,610
go places making them do things this is

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01:24:58,610 --> 01:24:55,950
a this to me would be the most horrific

1944
01:25:01,370 --> 01:24:58,620
thing and and you know I spend a lot of

1945
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:01,380
time you know when I do my tours up to

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01:25:08,150 --> 01:25:04,050
Grand Canyon I spend time at the camera

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01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:08,160
on trading post routinely hundreds and

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01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:10,170
hundreds of times I've been there and

1949
01:25:14,860 --> 01:25:11,970
when I was researching my chapter on

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01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:14,870
skinwalkers I happen to ask one of the

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01:25:21,650 --> 01:25:18,090
one of the young Danae guys that was

1952
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:21,660
there if he you know if I could talk to

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01:25:24,500 --> 01:25:23,250
him about a Kachina doll that they had

1954
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:24,510
in their gallery that was of a

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01:25:31,970 --> 01:25:29,310
skinwalker and that guy if I walk he

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01:25:34,250 --> 01:25:31,980
will not if he sees me he will go the

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01:25:36,650 --> 01:25:34,260
other way now I mean for five years I've

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01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:36,660
watched him avoid me every time I come

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01:25:40,580 --> 01:25:38,489
around he will not look me in the eye I

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01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:40,590
mean he's he's like deathly afraid of me

1961
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:43,230
just because I asked about it and then I

1962
01:25:47,420 --> 01:25:45,120
found out from one of the other workers

1963
01:25:50,570 --> 01:25:47,430
there that he was actually in training

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01:25:53,930 --> 01:25:50,580
as a apprentice Madison society trainee

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01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:53,940
and that that was of the the worst thing

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01:25:59,570 --> 01:25:56,310
that I ever could have said to him or

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01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:59,580
even mention to me never ever it talked

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01:26:05,330 --> 01:26:01,620
to you again you'll avoid you and this

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01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:05,340
guy works in retail so you know it gives

1970
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:07,260
you an insight into how superstitious

1971
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,280
and how very very I don't I don't know

1972
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:12,960
what the term is paranoid I guess we're

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01:26:17,690 --> 01:26:15,090
better over lack of a better term

1974
01:26:20,690 --> 01:26:17,700
they're the very paranoid up there about

1975
01:26:24,380 --> 01:26:20,700
these particular forms you know I know

1976
01:26:26,370 --> 01:26:24,390
where else to take the conversation in

1977
01:26:29,070 --> 01:26:26,380
this regard Jean but

1978
01:26:30,540 --> 01:26:29,080
we've got a lot of a big crowd to cover

1979
01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:30,550
I'm getting creeped out just thinking

1980
01:26:34,770 --> 01:26:32,590
about it myself but I'll tell you what a

1981
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:34,780
lot of our listeners hear our show in

1982
01:26:41,490 --> 01:26:36,370
the middle of the night with their

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01:26:44,190 --> 01:26:41,500
headsets on their iPads iPhones iPods

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01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:44,200
and this is going to creep out a lot of

1985
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:46,180
people but you know what we're gonna

1986
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:47,410
have to do it if there are such

1987
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:50,290
creatures as skinwalkers and bigfoot and

1988
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:53,110
big snakes running around those we have

1989
01:26:56,850 --> 01:26:53,920
to talk about it

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01:26:59,820 --> 01:26:56,860
so are we safe JC if we're in the big

1991
01:27:02,670 --> 01:26:59,830
city here's what Leonard Dan brought up

1992
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:02,680
to is some very wealthy people are

1993
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:06,400
paying shamans to come and show them how

1994
01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:10,090
to do this in his concern these are

1995
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:12,670
Caucasian people his concern is what if

1996
01:27:19,410 --> 01:27:15,670
al-qaeda gets the ability to be

1997
01:27:21,780 --> 01:27:19,420
invisible it goes in to a facility what

1998
01:27:24,180 --> 01:27:21,790
if al Qaeda you know that's Leonard

1999
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:24,190
talking but I mean the mere fact is

2000
01:27:32,610 --> 01:27:26,410
people are paying to learn how to do

2001
01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:32,620
this and oh man that's Kay Donald

2002
01:27:35,490 --> 01:27:34,270
Rumsfeld has a house in Taos could you

2003
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:35,500
imagine him getting trained to be a

2004
01:27:40,260 --> 01:27:37,570
skinwalker that that's right knit or

2005
01:27:42,540 --> 01:27:40,270
Dick Cheney okay so I'm asking here

2006
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:42,550
you're not born a skinwalker you can

2007
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:49,510
become one you bring in that near and

2008
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:52,090
dear sacrifice and they are killed and

2009
01:27:59,820 --> 01:27:55,570
they kill people all the time all the

2010
01:28:02,370 --> 01:27:59,830
time they're sent out to do evil all the

2011
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:02,380
time they do not benefit the denying and

2012
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:04,330
there's hardly any good medicine left

2013
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:06,880
out here back when we used to heal with

2014
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:09,250
herbs and things from from God's green

2015
01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:11,770
earth or God's dusty earth whatever the

2016
01:28:16,650 --> 01:28:14,620
case we're not practicing didn't Madison

2017
01:28:19,170 --> 01:28:16,660
anymore we're paying to have curses

2018
01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:19,180
lifted and we're being paid to curse

2019
01:28:24,150 --> 01:28:21,400
people that's the medicine out here and

2020
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:24,160
it's it's disgusting I've known some

2021
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:26,320
good medicine people they're all dead I

2022
01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:29,200
think the last good medicine man got

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thrown out of the back of the pickup

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truck not far from Cameron back in the

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mid 90s they killed him he got paid in

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01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:39,699
chickens

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01:28:45,390 --> 01:28:43,090
yes paid him whatever you could but he

2028
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came in with herbs and natural healing

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things like a medicine man supposed to

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do what has come down to now as curses

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curses curses this that hexes stuff like

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that there's hardly any good medicine

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people the Apache and Navajo very

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superstitious I mean we're talking

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deeply ingrained fear and mistrust of

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strangers this is something that has

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2142
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2143
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2145
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2146
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hi this is ted phillips listening to the

2147
01:34:03,899 --> 01:33:57,369
parrot cat and it's as good as it gets

2148
01:34:04,830 --> 01:34:03,909
believing as chris been possessed by

2149
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:04,840
something

2150
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:08,170
what is he becoming i don't know what

2151
01:34:12,450 --> 01:34:09,610
i'm becoming but that's another story

2152
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:12,460
you're in the power cast we're talking

2153
01:34:19,379 --> 01:34:15,489
to JC johnson he's an outdoorsman were

2154
01:34:21,899 --> 01:34:19,389
exploring strange creatures strange and

2155
01:34:25,290 --> 01:34:21,909
terrifying creatures tell us more Chris

2156
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:25,300
well JC III last time I really had an

2157
01:34:28,740 --> 01:34:27,250
extended conversation with you was about

2158
01:34:31,919 --> 01:34:28,750
three weeks ago

2159
01:34:34,770 --> 01:34:31,929
and I recently was up in Utah you went

2160
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:34,780
to base and helping out a film

2161
01:34:38,910 --> 01:34:36,610
production company to do a shoot around

2162
01:34:43,529 --> 01:34:38,920
the Sherman Ranch there the skinwalker

2163
01:34:47,220 --> 01:34:43,539
ranch case and while I was up there we

2164
01:34:50,939 --> 01:34:47,230
had two reports come in to Moab Utah to

2165
01:34:53,069 --> 01:34:50,949
a friend of mine Ron reg era I think you

2166
01:34:56,370 --> 01:34:53,079
met him as well who runs an RV park

2167
01:35:00,120 --> 01:34:56,380
there and two unrelated reports came in

2168
01:35:02,189 --> 01:35:00,130
of a small bipedal what was described as

2169
01:35:04,410 --> 01:35:02,199
like a miniature Allosaurus or a camp

2170
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:04,420
the source let's talk about these these

2171
01:35:08,819 --> 01:35:06,010
other reptile forms that have been

2172
01:35:10,379 --> 01:35:08,829
reported in the Four Corners area and

2173
01:35:13,049 --> 01:35:10,389
this is I think gonna be news to a lot

2174
01:35:15,870 --> 01:35:13,059
of people that that dinosaur type forms

2175
01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:15,880
have been actually reported more than

2176
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:18,940
than you would suspect you would think

2177
01:35:24,419 --> 01:35:20,650
that somebody would miss identify maybe

2178
01:35:26,729 --> 01:35:24,429
and I Guana or some sort of lizards

2179
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:26,739
running on on its back legs or something

2180
01:35:31,799 --> 01:35:28,960
but but but these are different there's

2181
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:31,809
something very I think interesting here

2182
01:35:35,069 --> 01:35:33,250
and why don't you give us a little

2183
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:35,079
background on your particular

2184
01:35:38,970 --> 01:35:37,449
investigative work in this area and give

2185
01:35:41,220 --> 01:35:38,980
us a description of these creatures I

2186
01:35:43,260 --> 01:35:41,230
heard about this several years ago and

2187
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,270
it is actually from some Caucasian

2188
01:35:47,279 --> 01:35:45,280
people who had properties up on the

2189
01:35:50,580 --> 01:35:47,289
Animas River which goes up into Colorado

2190
01:35:52,830 --> 01:35:50,590
up near Durango Colorado and they were

2191
01:35:55,830 --> 01:35:52,840
talking about they call them river dinos

2192
01:35:59,609 --> 01:35:55,840
and I described something of a mini

2193
01:36:02,330 --> 01:35:59,619
t-rex three to four feet tall lots of

2194
01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:02,340
reports and then we've also got

2195
01:36:07,790 --> 01:36:04,980
a few reports out the reservation we've

2196
01:36:11,419 --> 01:36:07,800
probably got probably four or five

2197
01:36:13,850 --> 01:36:11,429
different and I call them relic reptiles

2198
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:13,860
I'm not going to say that dinosaur word

2199
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:16,080
but we've got probably three or four

2200
01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:18,090
different anta T's described on the

2201
01:36:24,109 --> 01:36:20,580
reservation also one that was I

2202
01:36:27,709 --> 01:36:24,119
witnessed by my son with me on a little

2203
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:27,719
outing we did in in red Valley but the

2204
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:31,050
river dinos looked like little mini T

2205
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,570
Rex's three to four feet tall they

2206
01:36:39,620 --> 01:36:35,760
probably weigh a hundred hundred and

2207
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:39,630
fifty pounds and they resemble the t-rex

2208
01:36:47,359 --> 01:36:43,409
and they're often seen in packs three or

2209
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:47,369
four or five six maybe together hunting

2210
01:36:52,669 --> 01:36:50,250
in a pack or working in a pack and in

2211
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:52,679
witnessed pretty regularly by Caucasian

2212
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:55,770
people also so I found this fascinating

2213
01:37:00,919 --> 01:36:58,560
there was a gentleman we talked to I

2214
01:37:05,450 --> 01:37:00,929
think David Asher Childress was talking

2215
01:37:08,780 --> 01:37:05,460
to him also about these semi petrified

2216
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:08,790
semi fresh examples that were up at the

2217
01:37:15,290 --> 01:37:12,210
Cortes Museum for several years they

2218
01:37:17,899 --> 01:37:15,300
weren't quite fossilized petrified that

2219
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:17,909
was still some fresh stinky tissue

2220
01:37:21,919 --> 01:37:19,440
involved with these creatures that

2221
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:21,929
couldn't have been that old but they

2222
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:25,679
were reminiscent of the mini t-rex and I

2223
01:37:28,910 --> 01:37:26,880
don't know what happened to the

2224
01:37:31,550 --> 01:37:28,920
specimens I don't believe this gentleman

2225
01:37:33,169 --> 01:37:31,560
we were talking to knows either what

2226
01:37:35,540 --> 01:37:33,179
happened to the specimens but they

2227
01:37:37,729 --> 01:37:35,550
weren't that all this is what I shall

2228
01:37:39,979 --> 01:37:37,739
raise do you ever find situations here

2229
01:37:41,899 --> 01:37:39,989
where people are pulling the wool over

2230
01:37:43,390 --> 01:37:41,909
your eyes trying to fool you with

2231
01:37:46,700 --> 01:37:43,400
something that didn't really happen

2232
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,710
typically something of that case I would

2233
01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:48,480
follow up on and we've got some other

2234
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:50,369
stories of the people who have seen

2235
01:37:55,939 --> 01:37:53,010
these displays that were in the museum

2236
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:55,949
that disappeared some years ago so

2237
01:38:02,209 --> 01:37:58,290
something like that I follow up on I try

2238
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:02,219
to get reimbursed the accusation it's

2239
01:38:07,129 --> 01:38:05,010
what I do and then once again just all

2240
01:38:11,149 --> 01:38:07,139
the different sightings of the mini T

2241
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:11,159
Rex's firsthand closed accounts a young

2242
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:14,400
man climbed up a ridge and he saw this

2243
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:16,070
tail flapping around he didn't

2244
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:18,890
what it was and this thing turned around

2245
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,370
and looked at him right dead-on 3 or 4

2246
01:38:28,060 --> 01:38:24,560
feet tall and he said it screamed at him

2247
01:38:30,490 --> 01:38:28,070
and he ran and he got on his bicycle and

2248
01:38:34,660 --> 01:38:30,500
got away from it but you know a very

2249
01:38:36,910 --> 01:38:34,670
physical creature the creature were on

2250
01:38:39,550 --> 01:38:36,920
the track of something that's bipedal in

2251
01:38:43,150 --> 01:38:39,560
nature it leaves a three-toed track

2252
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:43,160
that's identical to fossilize prints in

2253
01:38:48,730 --> 01:38:46,490
the area the thing is these tracks are

2254
01:38:51,010 --> 01:38:48,740
less than a month old and it had come

2255
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:51,020
through when it was wet and they had to

2256
01:38:57,700 --> 01:38:54,130
get up this slippery slope and why I'm

2257
01:38:59,680 --> 01:38:57,710
believing bipedal in nature is the front

2258
01:39:01,840 --> 01:38:59,690
paws had to come down and they look like

2259
01:39:04,780 --> 01:39:01,850
mittens so we probably had something

2260
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:04,790
with digits that would resemble you know

2261
01:39:11,710 --> 01:39:08,570
a hand on a reptilian type creature and

2262
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:11,720
I think Leonard our tracker put the

2263
01:39:17,110 --> 01:39:14,210
weight at around 16 to 18 hundred pounds

2264
01:39:19,930 --> 01:39:17,120
and we tried this for a while yeah well

2265
01:39:21,850 --> 01:39:19,940
I've got a sheep herder out by newcomb

2266
01:39:24,670 --> 01:39:21,860
New Mexico I don't think he's with us

2267
01:39:26,830 --> 01:39:24,680
anymore I think he passed on but he had

2268
01:39:29,710 --> 01:39:26,840
the giant lizard out there on his

2269
01:39:32,590 --> 01:39:29,720
property he also has fossilized prints

2270
01:39:35,020 --> 01:39:32,600
on his property University of New Mexico

2271
01:39:37,870 --> 01:39:35,030
shows up there knocking on his door they

2272
01:39:40,660 --> 01:39:37,880
want to go cast these fossilized prints

2273
01:39:43,180 --> 01:39:40,670
yeah we've got subway we've got some

2274
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:43,190
water and we sure you can come with us

2275
01:39:45,310 --> 01:39:44,810
and watch him we won't leave a mess and

2276
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:45,320
blah blah blah

2277
01:39:49,810 --> 01:39:47,570
and he goes you want to see some fresh

2278
01:39:54,570 --> 01:39:49,820
ones and he took them down on the wash

2279
01:39:58,450 --> 01:39:54,580
and here's these huge three-toed fresh

2280
01:40:01,570 --> 01:39:58,460
prints in the wash and they're blown

2281
01:40:03,190 --> 01:40:01,580
away and they're nearly identical to

2282
01:40:05,650 --> 01:40:03,200
what they're gonna go cast actually

2283
01:40:07,570 --> 01:40:05,660
they're a little bit larger and he told

2284
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:07,580
him the eye comes through it he takes my

2285
01:40:11,620 --> 01:40:09,650
sheep and it wasn't a question of like

2286
01:40:14,050 --> 01:40:11,630
chewing the sheep up and eating it a

2287
01:40:16,810 --> 01:40:14,060
question of tilting the head back and

2288
01:40:19,150 --> 01:40:16,820
swallowing our sheep that's the size

2289
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:19,160
this is a University of New Mexico

2290
01:40:24,370 --> 01:40:22,250
science yes this is the paleontology

2291
01:40:25,060 --> 01:40:24,380
department I believe if the story was

2292
01:40:27,850 --> 01:40:25,070
relayed to me

2293
01:40:28,900 --> 01:40:27,860
they had come out to cast the fossilized

2294
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,910
prints

2295
01:40:32,710 --> 01:40:31,280
he shows us what the time frame what's

2296
01:40:35,170 --> 01:40:32,720
the time frame on this would be about

2297
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:35,180
four years ago interesting I hope you do

2298
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,890
a little digging on that one cuz I have

2299
01:40:41,890 --> 01:40:39,440
some connections at at the school cool

2300
01:40:44,890 --> 01:40:41,900
we can dig it up so they're blown away

2301
01:40:47,230 --> 01:40:44,900
laundry care just sent me Ron McGarrett

2302
01:40:49,780 --> 01:40:47,240
just sent me the most amazing petroglyph

2303
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:49,790
that's right from your neck of the woods

2304
01:40:53,410 --> 01:40:52,610
there JC and it's it's like it's a

2305
01:40:57,220 --> 01:40:53,420
brontosaurus

2306
01:40:59,320 --> 01:40:57,230
no why would some paleo man Folsom man

2307
01:41:02,170 --> 01:40:59,330
or I think it may even be older than

2308
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:02,180
Folsom man why would they do a perfect

2309
01:41:09,130 --> 01:41:05,450
depiction of a long-necked sauropod tide

2310
01:41:11,020 --> 01:41:09,140
dinosaur in in a petroglyph I mean I'll

2311
01:41:13,420 --> 01:41:11,030
post it and I'm sure we're gonna

2312
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:13,430
generate quite a thread as a result of

2313
01:41:17,380 --> 01:41:14,930
this show and I'll go ahead and post

2314
01:41:19,480 --> 01:41:17,390
that just so people can see that we even

2315
01:41:22,450 --> 01:41:19,490
have a prehistory of you know a

2316
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:22,460
tentative some some tentative evidence

2317
01:41:27,790 --> 01:41:24,530
of some prehistoric

2318
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:27,800
I don't know depictions of what would be

2319
01:41:32,830 --> 01:41:29,570
considered long extinct

2320
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:32,840
you know dinosaur type of Reptoids look

2321
01:41:37,390 --> 01:41:34,970
at newspaper rock up by Holbrook and

2322
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:37,400
there's this great big bird with a man

2323
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:40,370
in its mouth it's a pictograph out there

2324
01:41:45,370 --> 01:41:42,530
you know that's I mean they're relaying

2325
01:41:47,530 --> 01:41:45,380
a they're relaying stories so obviously

2326
01:41:50,500 --> 01:41:47,540
there was a bird big enough to pick a

2327
01:41:52,780 --> 01:41:50,510
man up and put it in his mouth you

2328
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:52,790
wonder about this stuff so science wants

2329
01:41:58,450 --> 01:41:53,410
to tell us

2330
01:42:01,840 --> 01:41:58,460
dinosaurs were gone before man humans

2331
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:01,850
came on to Planet Earth so obviously

2332
01:42:08,860 --> 01:42:04,670
it's not that way at all in the end

2333
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:08,870
which casts went back to the University

2334
01:42:15,610 --> 01:42:13,970
the fossilized or the fresh well I want

2335
01:42:17,770 --> 01:42:15,620
to help you find out that quest the

2336
01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:17,780
answer to that question the fossilized

2337
01:42:22,930 --> 01:42:19,720
and that's when we're dealing with

2338
01:42:26,170 --> 01:42:22,940
philosophical paleontology we deal with

2339
01:42:29,290 --> 01:42:26,180
philosophical human ology we deal with

2340
01:42:36,490 --> 01:42:29,300
all kinds of philosophical situations in

2341
01:42:39,730 --> 01:42:36,500
this line of endeavor we should say they

2342
01:42:42,290 --> 01:42:39,740
expect that such creatures do not exist

2343
01:42:44,299 --> 01:42:42,300
today therefore we'll put up the fossils

2344
01:42:46,100 --> 01:42:44,309
we're not going to show evidence that

2345
01:42:48,140 --> 01:42:46,110
they are here now yeah well I have a

2346
01:42:50,959 --> 01:42:48,150
perfect story that illustrates that gene

2347
01:42:53,029 --> 01:42:50,969
I spoke with a rancher in the northern

2348
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:53,039
San Luis Valley who claimed back in the

2349
01:42:58,060 --> 01:42:56,010
early 80s I would not mean oh it's I'm

2350
01:43:01,549 --> 01:42:58,070
not sure it may have been the late 70

2351
01:43:03,620 --> 01:43:01,559
you went ahead in this Rancher was doing

2352
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:03,630
some excavation work on his ranch in the

2353
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:06,030
northern San Luis Valley now this is an

2354
01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:08,340
alluvial plain it's about a million

2355
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:11,880
years of you know erosion coming down

2356
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:13,679
from the Sangre de Cristo's that layers

2357
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,050
on the edges of the valley and then

2358
01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:19,440
piles up and he found in sand suspended

2359
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:23,460
in sand the bones of a articulated small

2360
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:25,760
two foot two two and a half foot tall

2361
01:43:31,939 --> 01:43:30,510
dinosaur which he then packed up gave it

2362
01:43:34,250 --> 01:43:31,949
to the Museum of Natural History in

2363
01:43:35,899 --> 01:43:34,260
Denver who then claimed when he called

2364
01:43:37,549 --> 01:43:35,909
back to find out what they thought of it

2365
01:43:40,459 --> 01:43:37,559
they said oh we never got that and he

2366
01:43:43,310 --> 01:43:40,469
personally handed he dropped it off to

2367
01:43:45,169 --> 01:43:43,320
them so I'm I I tried to get a little

2368
01:43:47,450 --> 01:43:45,179
headway on this and of course Robert

2369
01:43:49,419 --> 01:43:47,460
Barker's at the time I think was

2370
01:43:52,489 --> 01:43:49,429
involved there the famous

2371
01:43:54,799 --> 01:43:52,499
paleontologists was involved there in in

2372
01:43:56,839 --> 01:43:54,809
their collection and they just totally

2373
01:43:59,120 --> 01:43:56,849
went into complete denial and said we

2374
01:44:00,890 --> 01:43:59,130
never received anything like that it

2375
01:44:02,839 --> 01:44:00,900
would be physically impossible for him

2376
01:44:05,899 --> 01:44:02,849
to find you know the unfossilized

2377
01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:05,909
remains of a dinosaur in alluvial plain

2378
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:07,230
that's less than a million years old

2379
01:44:11,419 --> 01:44:09,690
okay you know we will be a lot less than

2380
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:11,429
million years old if we don't do this

2381
01:44:15,229 --> 01:44:13,170
break and on the other side we'll

2382
01:44:17,839 --> 01:44:15,239
explore more creatures not from outer

2383
01:44:20,209 --> 01:44:17,849
space not from other dimensions of any

2384
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,219
place like that but from here on earth

2385
01:44:30,860 --> 01:44:22,320
with JC Johnson and gene and Chris

2386
01:44:36,509 --> 01:44:32,899
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2387
01:44:39,540 --> 01:44:36,519
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2388
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:39,550
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2389
01:44:45,419 --> 01:44:43,840
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2390
01:44:47,609 --> 01:44:45,429
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2391
01:44:50,009 --> 01:44:47,619
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the liberties of the people than a

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standing army today understand I'm

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placing a free silver dollar in a book

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to understand the system call 866 to 237

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that's 800 686 to 237

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:00,790
here's Jean Steinberg so we have to ask

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01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:04,070
was Chris O'Brien descended from

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01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:07,130
dinosaurs of course we all were right of

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01:46:11,860 --> 01:46:09,290
course maybe the TV show Terra Nova is

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01:46:13,660 --> 01:46:11,870
all about stuff that's real well we're

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01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:13,670
descended from the ones that inherited

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01:46:19,690 --> 01:46:16,250
the planet from the dinosaurs if you're

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01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:19,700
not into intelligent design or some sort

2430
01:46:25,810 --> 01:46:22,370
of fundamentalist Christian view of

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01:46:28,660 --> 01:46:25,820
reality let's look at some listener

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01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:28,670
questions that we've had we didn't give

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01:46:33,550 --> 01:46:30,530
much warning to the appearance of JC

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01:46:35,620 --> 01:46:33,560
Johnson on the para cast baby one day so

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01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:35,630
we've got a few questions from our

2436
01:46:42,220 --> 01:46:40,070
listeners at forum dr. Peric ascom Chris

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01:46:44,530 --> 01:46:42,230
could you assemble a couple sure while

2438
01:46:46,990 --> 01:46:44,540
we're on the subject one of our newest

2439
01:46:50,740 --> 01:46:47,000
members of the forum digital trickster I

2440
01:46:54,430 --> 01:46:50,750
guess kind of resemble that remark is

2441
01:46:56,530 --> 01:46:54,440
asking about JC have you ever seen any

2442
01:46:58,860 --> 01:46:56,540
of these crypto creatures yourself or

2443
01:47:01,810 --> 01:46:58,870
had any other paranormal encounters of

2444
01:47:03,940 --> 01:47:01,820
similar to what you described at the top

2445
01:47:05,860 --> 01:47:03,950
of the show and also what is your

2446
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:05,870
opinion on dinosaur sightings around the

2447
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:08,330
world and which sightings do you believe

2448
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:10,130
may be true and what is the best

2449
01:47:14,770 --> 01:47:12,050
evidence to back up these sightings

2450
01:47:16,210 --> 01:47:14,780
whether in the Four Corners area or any

2451
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:16,220
other world sightings that have occurred

2452
01:47:21,820 --> 01:47:19,760
and if you have time will you also ask

2453
01:47:24,370 --> 01:47:21,830
JC about the giant snake sightings which

2454
01:47:26,650 --> 01:47:24,380
we've already covered and he says I

2455
01:47:29,290 --> 01:47:26,660
can't wait for you guys to do the show

2456
01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:29,300
well I would have to say with the furry

2457
01:47:36,610 --> 01:47:33,070
ones and I reiterate Sasquatch Bigfoot

2458
01:47:39,070 --> 01:47:36,620
whatever the words are abused I like the

2459
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:39,080
furry ones better because we've got just

2460
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:40,880
in this area alone what's along the

2461
01:47:46,570 --> 01:47:44,210
river does not look like what we see up

2462
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:46,580
on the mountains we have a different

2463
01:47:51,700 --> 01:47:49,010
shape and body style typically down here

2464
01:47:54,030 --> 01:47:51,710
what I see what we run into I call the

2465
01:47:56,050 --> 01:47:54,040
scraggly SH and I'm it's not being

2466
01:47:58,480 --> 01:47:56,060
picking on them there

2467
01:48:01,180 --> 01:47:58,490
Genki earth lankier they look more like

2468
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:01,190
a Chewbacca without the brown-nose but

2469
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:04,490
they look like a Chewbacca type creature

2470
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:07,370
they're narrower at the shoulders they

2471
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:09,770
don't typically have the six-pack abs or

2472
01:48:15,490 --> 01:48:12,110
something that we would see with the

2473
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:15,500
mountain variety of these creatures I've

2474
01:48:21,340 --> 01:48:18,650
probably seen about over the years ones

2475
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:21,350
that have named probably ten of them

2476
01:48:27,570 --> 01:48:24,530
with Sasquatch I've seen the giant snake

2477
01:48:29,950 --> 01:48:27,580
or at least a coil from the giant snake

2478
01:48:32,620 --> 01:48:29,960
another thing of interest we had done a

2479
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:32,630
river trip and I took a couple of young

2480
01:48:37,180 --> 01:48:34,250
men down and they were in a canoe and I

2481
01:48:39,250 --> 01:48:37,190
was in my kayak and we had great big sad

2482
01:48:43,060 --> 01:48:39,260
waves going on which is a phenomenon

2483
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:43,070
only known to the Yangtze River in China

2484
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:46,730
in the San Juan River in the desert

2485
01:48:51,850 --> 01:48:50,210
Southwest where sediments build up until

2486
01:48:54,970 --> 01:48:51,860
you get these waves and you could have

2487
01:48:57,370 --> 01:48:54,980
as high as a 9-foot wave in succession

2488
01:49:01,300 --> 01:48:57,380
it's very interesting to run these

2489
01:49:03,700 --> 01:49:01,310
through there was a small rapid the next

2490
01:49:06,190 --> 01:49:03,710
day we'd done a trip down we camped

2491
01:49:08,380 --> 01:49:06,200
overnight there was a sighting in our

2492
01:49:12,220 --> 01:49:08,390
camp the Sasquatch came down to party

2493
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:12,230
with us and we had the first report I've

2494
01:49:17,710 --> 01:49:15,440
ever had of a steel-blue eyes shine I I

2495
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:17,720
found that very interesting the next

2496
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:19,610
morning we were going down in this first

2497
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:22,490
rapid had a huge cluster of sand waves

2498
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:24,890
built up on it and I'm like you know if

2499
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:26,480
we had some more people down here with

2500
01:49:30,910 --> 01:49:28,850
us we'd probably go play in these waves

2501
01:49:33,820 --> 01:49:30,920
a little bit but there's just two boats

2502
01:49:35,950 --> 01:49:33,830
in three of us and we're a long way from

2503
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:35,960
home we're not gonna mess with us so we

2504
01:49:41,230 --> 01:49:38,450
backed out we found a calmer section of

2505
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:41,240
river to look up and when we did look up

2506
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:44,090
here comes this thing the size of a

2507
01:49:51,580 --> 01:49:47,930
horse it's got a wolf thin face it's got

2508
01:49:54,430 --> 01:49:51,590
long ears very long ears I called it

2509
01:49:56,890 --> 01:49:54,440
donkey dog and we were watching this

2510
01:49:59,890 --> 01:49:56,900
thing and it's it was it walked right up

2511
01:50:01,900 --> 01:49:59,900
to the Mesa that it was on and I got a

2512
01:50:05,470 --> 01:50:01,910
wonderful look at it and it was

2513
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:05,480
absolutely walking on all fours wolfen

2514
01:50:09,609 --> 01:50:08,810
in appearance and in boom we got sucked

2515
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:09,619
down the river

2516
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:13,310
like what the heck was that and it made

2517
01:50:17,140 --> 01:50:15,650
two more appearances upon the mesas

2518
01:50:20,109 --> 01:50:17,150
following us

2519
01:50:22,810 --> 01:50:20,119
broad daylight and we got down where

2520
01:50:25,330 --> 01:50:22,820
there's some old Anasazi ruins right on

2521
01:50:27,399 --> 01:50:25,340
the Colorado line and I said here's an

2522
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:27,409
open area this thing's following us

2523
01:50:31,870 --> 01:50:29,290
curious about us whatever's going on

2524
01:50:33,700 --> 01:50:31,880
let's let's jump out in this open area

2525
01:50:35,470 --> 01:50:33,710
get down in the bushes everybody get

2526
01:50:37,629 --> 01:50:35,480
your camera's on maybe he'll break out

2527
01:50:45,339 --> 01:50:37,639
into the open and we'll get some

2528
01:50:49,780 --> 01:50:45,349
pictures well he never came out I don't

2529
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:49,790
think it was a skinwalker it sounds to

2530
01:50:55,959 --> 01:50:53,570
me like a dire wolf we have reports of

2531
01:50:58,419 --> 01:50:55,969
them in the area and reports of some of

2532
01:51:01,629 --> 01:50:58,429
the same dire wolf before for our

2533
01:51:05,649 --> 01:51:01,639
listeners is a an extinct paleo wolf

2534
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:05,659
that was huge it was like megafauna I

2535
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:08,570
think would be the Paleo term a wolf

2536
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:10,489
that's four or five six times bigger

2537
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:13,130
than the largest wolf that we can find

2538
01:51:17,530 --> 01:51:15,110
on the planet today but similar

2539
01:51:19,300 --> 01:51:17,540
creatures was spotted and reported by

2540
01:51:22,180 --> 01:51:19,310
Terry Sherman on the Sherman ranch

2541
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:22,190
actually on a number of occasions a wolf

2542
01:51:28,300 --> 01:51:25,010
that was 4 / 4 feet tall if I remember

2543
01:51:34,839 --> 01:51:28,310
at the shoulder this thing there wolf

2544
01:51:38,740 --> 01:51:34,849
was immune to firearms pretty much this

2545
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:38,750
I think I've interviewed people also in

2546
01:51:46,930 --> 01:51:44,090
the area and you know the dog man thing

2547
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:46,940
and everything else that's a whole can

2548
01:51:53,169 --> 01:51:50,480
of worms but a very large wolf and type

2549
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,179
creature was laying down a married

2550
01:51:58,270 --> 01:51:55,280
couple came across it and it was

2551
01:52:01,000 --> 01:51:58,280
sleeping and it woke up and it looked at

2552
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:01,010
them and then it stood up on to and it

2553
01:52:06,100 --> 01:52:03,110
was over eight feet tall eight or nine

2554
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:06,110
feet tall and completely wolfin in

2555
01:52:10,570 --> 01:52:08,570
appearance and it didn't growl it just

2556
01:52:14,140 --> 01:52:10,580
looked at them they look back they were

2557
01:52:16,510 --> 01:52:14,150
just terrified he goes down on all fours

2558
01:52:19,060 --> 01:52:16,520
and he takes off but he did stand on to

2559
01:52:22,430 --> 01:52:19,070
kind of like a bear would stand up on

2560
01:52:24,410 --> 01:52:22,440
two legs and size up a situation

2561
01:52:25,870 --> 01:52:24,420
were under the impression that he

2562
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:25,880
probably wasn't really comfortable

2563
01:52:30,890 --> 01:52:28,290
walking on two legs all the time you

2564
01:52:34,670 --> 01:52:30,900
know it wasn't that type of situation he

2565
01:52:39,140 --> 01:52:34,680
preferred the quadruped ed way to leave

2566
01:52:40,670 --> 01:52:39,150
the area how about the report from the

2567
01:52:42,620 --> 01:52:40,680
Sherman ranch where they saw one of

2568
01:52:44,630 --> 01:52:42,630
these wolf man type creatures smoking a

2569
01:52:51,530 --> 01:52:44,640
cigarette I mean I wasn't just totally

2570
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:51,540
blows my mind surprise me having a smoke

2571
01:52:56,300 --> 01:52:53,280
break before you freak out the rancher

2572
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:56,310
you know well I have another question

2573
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:00,239
here this is from a longtime poster here

2574
01:53:04,630 --> 01:53:02,610
at the forums the flatwoods and he says

2575
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:04,640
JC we don't often get to hear from

2576
01:53:09,500 --> 01:53:06,960
cryptozoologists on the subject of giant

2577
01:53:13,220 --> 01:53:09,510
or unusual insects spiders and other

2578
01:53:16,010 --> 01:53:13,230
bugs these kinds of reports are rare but

2579
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:16,020
interesting have you ever run across any

2580
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:19,020
sort of giant insectoid type reports I

2581
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:22,290
personally haven't but how about you the

2582
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:23,840
strangest thing I've got is is a

2583
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:27,840
screaming spider out this way you know

2584
01:53:36,530 --> 01:53:31,650
it probably the size of a the palm your

2585
01:53:40,130 --> 01:53:36,540
entire hand tarantula size yeah it

2586
01:53:42,170 --> 01:53:40,140
screams an audible scream which you know

2587
01:53:45,470 --> 01:53:42,180
that there's nothing like that out here

2588
01:53:46,729 --> 01:53:45,480
but as far as that end of things that's

2589
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:46,739
probably the weirdest thing I've ever

2590
01:53:52,010 --> 01:53:50,010
heard about is is an audible screaming

2591
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:52,020
spider one of those things bigger wounds

2592
01:53:58,040 --> 01:53:54,719
what are those things in Mojave Desert I

2593
01:54:00,290 --> 01:53:58,050
believe they look kind of like a huge

2594
01:54:02,330 --> 01:54:00,300
oversized giant scorpion without the

2595
01:54:04,340 --> 01:54:02,340
tail I think they call bigger wounds or

2596
01:54:05,959 --> 01:54:04,350
something they're one of those rare

2597
01:54:07,459 --> 01:54:05,969
insects that you don't really hear about

2598
01:54:10,130 --> 01:54:07,469
but they I mean we're talking something

2599
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,140
that's over a foot long and in pretty

2600
01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:12,960
freaky looking the height you know for

2601
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:14,520
flatwoods if you're listening to the

2602
01:54:20,650 --> 01:54:16,980
show which I'm sure you are the high

2603
01:54:24,260 --> 01:54:20,660
mountain desert is not kind to insects

2604
01:54:27,260 --> 01:54:24,270
this area is is swept with high winds

2605
01:54:27,709 --> 01:54:27,270
very low temperatures blinding blizzard

2606
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:27,719
light

2607
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:30,449
below zero conditions during the winter

2608
01:54:34,850 --> 01:54:32,850
months in insects do have a hard time in

2609
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:34,860
that kind of environment but here's a

2610
01:54:40,910 --> 01:54:36,239
question from me

2611
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:40,920
jaesi that is the legendary Thunderbird

2612
01:54:46,850 --> 01:54:43,440
this has always been a subject that has

2613
01:54:49,819 --> 01:54:46,860
fascinated me very tantalizing we've we

2614
01:54:51,259 --> 01:54:49,829
have some pretty well done hoaxes that

2615
01:54:53,540 --> 01:54:51,269
go back over a hundred years of

2616
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:53,550
photographs we have some pretty

2617
01:54:57,890 --> 01:54:56,610
interesting footage in New Guinea these

2618
01:54:59,859 --> 01:54:57,900
things supposed to come down and our

2619
01:55:03,500 --> 01:54:59,869
grave robbers believe it or not

2620
01:55:06,770 --> 01:55:03,510
what about Thunderbirds now I I do have

2621
01:55:09,439 --> 01:55:06,780
a handful of reports through my years of

2622
01:55:12,370 --> 01:55:09,449
investigation where people report birds

2623
01:55:14,839 --> 01:55:12,380
in excess of 40 with a 40-foot wingspan

2624
01:55:17,629 --> 01:55:14,849
of course we know that the largest birds

2625
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:17,639
in the area are the California condors

2626
01:55:21,770 --> 01:55:20,249
there's seven of them still living at

2627
01:55:24,859 --> 01:55:21,780
the Grand Canyon they were reintroduced

2628
01:55:27,379 --> 01:55:24,869
there and their wingspan is about nine

2629
01:55:29,930 --> 01:55:27,389
feet I'll tell you what we'll look for

2630
01:55:32,779 --> 01:55:29,940
Thunderbirds and not for a Thunderbird

2631
01:55:34,759 --> 01:55:32,789
road but Thunderbird big flying

2632
01:55:39,180 --> 01:55:34,769
creatures with more with Chris and Jean

2633
01:55:43,890 --> 01:55:41,360
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yeah so JC I got a call from

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investigator Robert morning sky back in

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99 you know I really don't I'm not that

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familiar with his work and he was

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familiar with mine and he asked me hey

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02:00:39,109 --> 02:00:37,109
I've had some Thunderbird sightings in

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02:00:41,629 --> 02:00:39,119
the four right in the Four Corners

2740
02:00:45,139 --> 02:00:41,639
region around Cortez have you heard of

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02:00:46,609 --> 02:00:45,149
anything like this recently how about

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02:00:47,029 --> 02:00:46,619
you JC that's about when you arrived

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there

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02:00:54,229 --> 02:00:51,229
I'll start something real quick we have

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02:00:56,929 --> 02:00:54,239
Condor that have made it back on their

2746
02:00:59,899 --> 02:00:56,939
own without the reintroduction program

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02:01:01,310 --> 02:00:59,909
I've come across them in the wire while

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02:01:03,379 --> 02:01:01,320
they are not tagged

2749
02:01:05,689 --> 02:01:03,389
there's no transmitters out of them and

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02:01:08,659 --> 02:01:05,699
this is where we get into some touchy

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02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:08,669
feely things because there's millions of

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02:01:11,959 --> 02:01:10,530
dollars involved in the Condor thing

2753
02:01:14,389 --> 02:01:11,969
that's going on the ones that are left

2754
02:01:16,310 --> 02:01:14,399
alive in captivity I'm here to tell you

2755
02:01:19,549 --> 02:01:16,320
we have witnessed them time and time

2756
02:01:21,619 --> 02:01:19,559
again in the wild coming back all on

2757
02:01:23,359 --> 02:01:21,629
their own and they don't want to hear

2758
02:01:24,649 --> 02:01:23,369
that they don't want to hear that they

2759
02:01:27,589 --> 02:01:24,659
don't want to hear the fact that the

2760
02:01:30,099 --> 02:01:27,599
griz-lee have made it back into the

2761
02:01:32,689 --> 02:01:30,109
chuka and luke choukai mountains on the

2762
02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:32,699
reservation without being reintroduced

2763
02:01:38,779 --> 02:01:35,129
they've made it back on their own the

2764
02:01:42,859 --> 02:01:38,789
Jaguar are spreading north that's

2765
02:01:45,589 --> 02:01:42,869
another story let's go back to the birds

2766
02:01:47,689 --> 02:01:45,599
we have a prominent member of the

2767
02:01:50,179 --> 02:01:47,699
community here in Farmington who wanted

2768
02:01:52,170 --> 02:01:50,189
to talk with Dave Ortiz he was hunting

2769
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:52,180
in the mez Mountains

2770
02:01:56,430 --> 02:01:54,070
he heard a freight train come down on

2771
02:01:59,340 --> 02:01:56,440
him and he just just landed on his belly

2772
02:02:01,710 --> 02:01:59,350
and this bird just missed him he looked

2773
02:02:03,060 --> 02:02:01,720
up and he followed it through the sky

2774
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:03,070
and it was turning around to come back

2775
02:02:08,700 --> 02:02:04,690
for another pass he wasn't covered

2776
02:02:10,500 --> 02:02:08,710
himself in the thick tree he's okay I'm

2777
02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:10,510
gonna go hide in these trees leathery

2778
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:12,880
skin 40-foot wingspan

2779
02:02:19,410 --> 02:02:15,330
it was a pterodactyl or a pterosaur

2780
02:02:21,210 --> 02:02:19,420
direct sighting from this individual to

2781
02:02:23,340 --> 02:02:21,220
share a personal experience we've seen

2782
02:02:25,710 --> 02:02:23,350
I've seen something with 40-foot

2783
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:25,720
wingspan as a reserve it looks like a

2784
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:28,570
raven but a 40-foot wingspan

2785
02:02:33,780 --> 02:02:31,930
I've seen those I remember coming out of

2786
02:02:37,590 --> 02:02:33,790
Walmart one day looking over by the

2787
02:02:40,830 --> 02:02:37,600
airport and looking up and like wow what

2788
02:02:42,180 --> 02:02:40,840
a cool kite a pterodactyl kite wow where

2789
02:02:42,750 --> 02:02:42,190
did they get that over at the Hobby

2790
02:02:45,330 --> 02:02:42,760
Lobby

2791
02:02:49,110 --> 02:02:45,340
I want a kite like that that's so cool

2792
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:49,120
then the thing went up and up and it

2793
02:02:52,830 --> 02:02:50,770
broke away from that area and it came

2794
02:02:55,790 --> 02:02:52,840
right over the top of me and I looked up

2795
02:02:58,620 --> 02:02:55,800
and I saw the leathery skin and just

2796
02:03:01,230 --> 02:02:58,630
light flexing of the wing it wasn't

2797
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:01,240
flapping or anything and then glided up

2798
02:03:04,410 --> 02:03:02,890
it caught another thermal and it went

2799
02:03:07,890 --> 02:03:04,420
over the river then it went across the

2800
02:03:10,140 --> 02:03:07,900
reservation I just I ran across the

2801
02:03:13,140 --> 02:03:10,150
parking lot at Walmart to keep this

2802
02:03:15,930 --> 02:03:13,150
thing in sight I couldn't believe it

2803
02:03:18,810 --> 02:03:15,940
I saw it another member of our crew was

2804
02:03:21,630 --> 02:03:18,820
up on a Mesa above the San Juan one of

2805
02:03:24,630 --> 02:03:21,640
the fingers of the San Juan splitting up

2806
02:03:27,660 --> 02:03:24,640
by an island was probably a hundred feet

2807
02:03:29,970 --> 02:03:27,670
wide she said this thing skim in the

2808
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:29,980
water probably covered half of that

2809
02:03:35,940 --> 02:03:32,250
finger at least a 50 foot wingspan

2810
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:35,950
leathery skin identical to what you

2811
02:03:43,950 --> 02:03:38,130
would consider a charity act all

2812
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:43,960
witnessed by one of my crew members two

2813
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:46,330
distinct forms the the reports that I

2814
02:03:49,980 --> 02:03:47,770
got and I

2815
02:03:51,900 --> 02:03:49,990
sorry to interrupt here reports that I

2816
02:03:54,500 --> 02:03:51,910
got back in the 90s where as you

2817
02:03:57,900 --> 02:03:54,510
described of a giant Raven type form

2818
02:04:01,050 --> 02:03:57,910
that you know was described as a 30 40

2819
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:01,060
foot wingspan and also described as like

2820
02:04:04,770 --> 02:04:03,280
a black hole in the sky there were no

2821
02:04:06,180 --> 02:04:04,780
details on it they could see flight

2822
02:04:08,130 --> 02:04:06,190
feathers they could see

2823
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:08,140
the outline of it in a silhouette of it

2824
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:10,930
but they could not really determine any

2825
02:04:15,180 --> 02:04:12,970
sort of features on it other than the

2826
02:04:17,490 --> 02:04:15,190
actual silhouetted shape now what you're

2827
02:04:20,220 --> 02:04:17,500
describing is something that's more you

2828
02:04:23,490 --> 02:04:20,230
know like a terrace or some sort of

2829
02:04:25,740 --> 02:04:23,500
pterodactyl or to run it on that type of

2830
02:04:27,780 --> 02:04:25,750
form how many of these reports do you

2831
02:04:28,950 --> 02:04:27,790
think you've heard over the years or

2832
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:28,960
stories have you heard over the years

2833
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:30,970
and and how reliable do you think these

2834
02:04:35,550 --> 02:04:33,370
these reports are you're describing your

2835
02:04:37,530 --> 02:04:35,560
own personal experience but you would

2836
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:37,540
think that if these things exist that

2837
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:39,040
there should be a lot of reports of them

2838
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:42,130
out there flying around so one of the

2839
02:04:47,310 --> 02:04:44,800
investigations I did and I wasn't gonna

2840
02:04:50,220 --> 02:04:47,320
do it until the family came up with some

2841
02:04:52,830 --> 02:04:50,230
photos of what had happened to the Sheep

2842
02:04:55,530 --> 02:04:52,840
and we're talking that the the heads

2843
02:04:59,280 --> 02:04:55,540
were snipped off and the bodies were

2844
02:05:01,800 --> 02:04:59,290
drilled into by like a beak or something

2845
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:01,810
of that nature and we've got a very high

2846
02:05:04,770 --> 02:05:02,530
fence

2847
02:05:07,790 --> 02:05:04,780
we've got legs ripped off we've got

2848
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:07,800
heads snipped off a full-grown sheep and

2849
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:11,410
we've got a lot of the pterodactyl

2850
02:05:16,620 --> 02:05:14,410
sightings in the area and I wasn't

2851
02:05:20,340 --> 02:05:16,630
followed up on this and my gut is it was

2852
02:05:22,650 --> 02:05:20,350
either space aliens or a pterodactyl

2853
02:05:25,230 --> 02:05:22,660
that dropped into the pan for the

2854
02:05:29,220 --> 02:05:25,240
carnage that was inflicted on the Sheep

2855
02:05:31,350 --> 02:05:29,230
I mean just to snip off a head how do

2856
02:05:35,100 --> 02:05:31,360
you do that to rip a leg off

2857
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:35,110
a sheep how do you do that you it came

2858
02:05:39,690 --> 02:05:37,930
in from above and I think the family was

2859
02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:39,700
in agreement with that something of a

2860
02:05:46,620 --> 02:05:44,170
waned variety came in from above and I I

2861
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:46,630
think it was a pterodactyl I really do

2862
02:05:53,780 --> 02:05:49,570
I've got a cave out in the Badlands if

2863
02:05:56,580 --> 02:05:53,790
we get our series that I'm working on

2864
02:05:59,040 --> 02:05:56,590
I'll get dropped in this cave it's about

2865
02:06:01,920 --> 02:05:59,050
a 40-foot high entrance and it's pretty

2866
02:06:05,400 --> 02:06:01,930
deep and that's what you would need for

2867
02:06:08,580 --> 02:06:05,410
something of that nature to fly into an

2868
02:06:12,660 --> 02:06:08,590
intact roost and be out of the elements

2869
02:06:14,490 --> 02:06:12,670
which Badlands I mean outside of

2870
02:06:16,970 --> 02:06:14,500
Farmington heading toward Albuquerque

2871
02:06:20,090 --> 02:06:16,980
and we've got some package Society

2872
02:06:21,709 --> 02:06:20,100
or and/or pterodactyl type sightings on

2873
02:06:23,209 --> 02:06:21,719
that area quite frequently

2874
02:06:25,340 --> 02:06:23,219
so you're on the edge of the painted

2875
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:25,350
desert there in the bentonite Hills that

2876
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:27,270
area where it's all eroded out like the

2877
02:06:32,180 --> 02:06:29,330
bisti wilderness at that area

2878
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:32,190
interesting will you bring up the Sheep

2879
02:06:37,310 --> 02:06:34,320
I know you're currently investigating a

2880
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:37,320
recent case of livestock mutilations

2881
02:06:43,459 --> 02:06:40,290
with sheep this is a question from one

2882
02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:43,469
of our very trained observers is one of

2883
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:46,370
our best forum posters he's posted over

2884
02:06:56,540 --> 02:06:50,330
2,500 messages on our site he's a

2885
02:06:58,520 --> 02:06:56,550
started yeah and okay Jean well I don't

2886
02:06:59,209 --> 02:06:58,530
know about that but he has three

2887
02:07:01,310 --> 02:06:59,219
questions

2888
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:01,320
have you noticed J see any correlation

2889
02:07:05,479 --> 02:07:03,690
between cattle mutilations or sheep

2890
02:07:06,950 --> 02:07:05,489
mutilations in your case because that's

2891
02:07:09,410 --> 02:07:06,960
the majority of the livestock that I

2892
02:07:11,540 --> 02:07:09,420
think that you've investigated being

2893
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:11,550
found in this condition but have you

2894
02:07:16,030 --> 02:07:12,960
seen any correlation between these

2895
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:16,040
livestock to us and disease and people

2896
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:19,679
investigating them or do you have any

2897
02:07:25,209 --> 02:07:21,810
sort of incidence of these families

2898
02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:25,219
developing abnormal rates of cancer and

2899
02:07:30,110 --> 02:07:27,810
the third question is - do you think if

2900
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:30,120
so is there a correlation between the

2901
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,030
extensive uranium mining that's going on

2902
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:35,280
around the area and these livestock

2903
02:07:40,250 --> 02:07:38,130
mutilations and as a it's kind of a sub

2904
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:40,260
question that I'm adding do you think

2905
02:07:45,050 --> 02:07:42,690
it's possible that some of these the

2906
02:07:47,630 --> 02:07:45,060
strange and weird creatures could be

2907
02:07:52,070 --> 02:07:47,640
some sort of genetic manipulations

2908
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:52,080
because of uranium mining and other you

2909
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:56,250
know genetic altering type conditions in

2910
02:07:59,900 --> 02:07:58,320
the environment before you answer that

2911
02:08:01,939 --> 02:07:59,910
question before you answer that Jacey

2912
02:08:03,439 --> 02:08:01,949
Johnson I was thinking as you were

2913
02:08:06,229 --> 02:08:03,449
talking with the final part of that

2914
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okay back with the strange creatures

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Chris O'Brien asking of JC Johnson a

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long set of questions

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JC want to start picking up on this I

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think one of the interesting things too

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especially around the teasing us post

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area and we go back into some things

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that happened back in 1940 in 1940 the

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Corps of Engineers the army all kinds of

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people set across the reservation in

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search of uranium for the enrichment

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program and everything else for the

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nuclear weapons and one of the things

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they found which is documented under the

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Freedom of Information Act there was an

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opening up in the Archuleta Mesa at

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Dulce in these engineers and so forth

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and the Corps of Engineers they didn't

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have recording devices they took notes

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what they found were quite a few Apache

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skeletons which they surmise were Apache

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by their dress and so forth they had

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Winchester repeating rifles they had

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Colt 45 and so forth they'd had some

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type of battle they'd go back further

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into the opening and they found the

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skeletons and remains of the opposing

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force and they described them you're

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talking about Colonel X and Anthony

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Sanchez's not necessarily from the book

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but this opens up a lot of different

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things when we've got major huge can of

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worms just got open there JC here's what

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we go back to what's going on around the

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Four Corners area they're mining for

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uranium back in the 40s and everything

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in fact the uranium trucks used to drive

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from like T snows pose

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and you know people would be wanting to

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hitch a ride and they'd get up and sit

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on the uranium ore and they told him it

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was safe and everything was safe and you

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know the kid off in Shiprock and so

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forth you know Uncle Jack from t snows

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buses yeah I used to hitch a ride with

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those guys all the time and you know

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he's in his 60s now and I'm I'm glad

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he's made it into his sixties but we've

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got mysterious illnesses that have on

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the reservation all the time people who

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never smoked or drank or did anything

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that would deter your health suddenly

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come down with a strange mysterious

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illness and we've got people just dying

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for no apparent reason they've just come

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down with something there's really weird

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things as far as investigating the

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animals we're very careful about what we

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touch

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we've got gloves on everything we handle

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we're wearing gloves and so forth we

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dispose of those gloves I'm not

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necessarily any situation we went have

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something airborne and I hope that's not

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the case but as far as the people after

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anything that's happened the only thing

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that's really happened is is more

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phenomenon showing up maybe killing more

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sheep or torturing a family to a degree

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which which happened today I got more

3098
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information on a rabbit kill and we had

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gathered some blood from this cage that

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was on the outside of the cage not

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inside of the cage with the rabbit that

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was dispatched and we sent it off for

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analysis and it came back with what we

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were looking for and we confirmed that

3105
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and this the same family was looking for

3106
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the results sasquatch how do you mean

3107
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wait a minute stop the presses gene

3108
02:16:49,969 --> 02:16:47,399
results of one of the videos we have is

3109
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called the harvest it was an irrigation

3110
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pipe that had been punched through to

3111
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capture a skunk and the first thing that

3112
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happened to the skunk is its scent

3113
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glands got removed and pretty much the

3114
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skunk just wandered out of the pipe and

3115
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lay down and died and Brenda Harris was

3116
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a

3117
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out in front of him 150 pounds of pipe

3118
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walked out into the field about a

3119
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hundred yards and set the pipe down so

3120
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if the skunk got out of the pipe he

3121
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could probably run this skunk down and

3122
02:17:27,169 --> 02:17:25,560
catch it if he left it up in the weeds

3123
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:27,179
where the pipe was the skunk could

3124
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probably get away if he got out and even

3125
02:17:34,430 --> 02:17:32,760
removed the scent glands the Descent

3126
02:17:37,370 --> 02:17:34,440
glands removed what's the motivation on

3127
02:17:40,940 --> 02:17:37,380
that one that's another long story but I

3128
02:17:42,709 --> 02:17:40,950
believe some of the smell of the furry

3129
02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:42,719
ones the Sasquatch I believe some of

3130
02:17:47,090 --> 02:17:45,090
that is imported I've smelled them

3131
02:17:51,350 --> 02:17:47,100
without the skunk it's like a stinky wet

3132
02:17:54,140 --> 02:17:51,360
diaper dirty dog horse pee thing and no

3133
02:17:54,770 --> 02:17:54,150
skunk and then I've smelled that same

3134
02:17:59,540 --> 02:17:54,780
smell

3135
02:18:02,240 --> 02:17:59,550
all that I believe the skunk is

3136
02:18:05,209 --> 02:18:02,250
something they import oh so it's kind of

3137
02:18:09,620 --> 02:18:05,219
like Halston for Bigfoot excuse that is

3138
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sort sort of you know masking smell or

3139
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something a scent so skunks believe me I

3140
02:18:17,510 --> 02:18:14,270
have to deal with them all the time here

3141
02:18:19,580 --> 02:18:17,520
in redneck Arizona we have quite a

3142
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:19,590
number of skunks in the area they've

3143
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:20,969
been really prevalent the last couple

3144
02:18:26,959 --> 02:18:23,130
years for some reason but so what you're

3145
02:18:30,200 --> 02:18:26,969
suggesting and postulating is a Bigfoot

3146
02:18:33,350 --> 02:18:30,210
maybe somehow harvesting and utilizing

3147
02:18:35,380 --> 02:18:33,360
the scent glands of skunks and possibly

3148
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other animals badgers I think you know

3149
02:18:41,390 --> 02:18:39,300
it was a suspicion and everything you

3150
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know the way everything came together we

3151
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got into the right study we got into the

3152
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right study and this study is going in

3153
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for peer review with over a hundred and

3154
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six samples from around the country

3155
02:18:56,900 --> 02:18:53,969
including samples from us from two

3156
02:18:59,630 --> 02:18:56,910
different incidents and the markers are

3157
02:19:01,340 --> 02:18:59,640
there for what these things are which is

3158
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:01,350
going to be of interest who's doing this

3159
02:19:07,959 --> 02:19:05,010
study is this the know dr. Melba Ketchum

3160
02:19:11,390 --> 02:19:07,969
is doing the DNA study on these

3161
02:19:14,360 --> 02:19:11,400
sasquatch okay so you were able to get

3162
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evidence entered into this study yeah we

3163
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I've got some prime rib dinner bets that

3164
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by the end of the year the paper will be

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released and available cool I'll take

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you up on that one consider another

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place okay another prime rib bet with

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you where you go okay we got witnesses

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Jean okay I've got it written down here

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recorded for posterity forever

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prime rib we get all them all their Mad

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Cow cattle mutes we're going eat the

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wrong prime rib I'm going to prepare the

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Washington - if I lose this bet but you

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know the I's are dotted the T's are

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crossed

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we've everything's been sent out for a

3178
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double-blind study and overkill with

3179
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over a hundred samples

3180
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it's beyond overkill believe me why I'm

3181
02:20:19,660 --> 02:20:17,630
just saying I think was a hundred and

3182
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seventeen samples if memory serves me

3183
02:20:23,770 --> 02:20:21,710
correct oh we're good it's quite an

3184
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extensive study the first major

3185
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scientific study of its kind and takes a

3186
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lot of guts pas I think Jean would say

3187
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to actually put your neck out in a

3188
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scientific community with a study of

3189
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this size and scope and obviously the

3190
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subject matter but back to my question

3191
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real quick before we forget have you

3192
02:20:46,690 --> 02:20:44,600
seen any unusual illnesses in the

3193
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families that have had these livestock

3194
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mutilations in this area that's right

3195
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with with uranium mining nothing I could

3196
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directly correlate we've lost family

3197
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members you know once when I married in

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with this this this Native American lady

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I married everybody we're all still in

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contact and together and everything else

3201
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goodness wonderful people but no there's

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ministers illness is very healthy people

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3208
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obviously Leonard Dan's talking about

3209
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some of these old uranium mines were the

3210
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rails that they used to push the ore out

3211
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on glow at night I don't think that's

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3213
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3316
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JC Johnson Chris before we go on any

3317
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more questions left in the till yeah

3318
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:18,610
here's one from JP WI and WI and his

3319
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little tagline is he still C seeking

3320
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Samantha well good luck with that JP w

3321
02:27:31,800 --> 02:27:27,850
he's been a member since March of 2009

3322
02:27:35,610 --> 02:27:31,810
and JC he asks is there anything an

3323
02:27:38,190 --> 02:27:35,620
individual can do to actually lurk ripto

3324
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:38,200
creature of any sort into view I've

3325
02:27:43,080 --> 02:27:39,760
always wanted to have a sighting ever

3326
02:27:45,540 --> 02:27:43,090
since I was a teenager you know of a UFO

3327
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:45,550
a Bigfoot Mothman anything but it's

3328
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getting awfully hard to stay patient I

3329
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guess the first might yeah if I can help

3330
02:27:53,761 --> 02:27:51,460
you answer the question move to the four

3331
02:27:55,860 --> 02:27:53,771
corners would be the first thing but

3332
02:27:58,680 --> 02:27:55,870
other than that is there any like any

3333
02:28:01,020 --> 02:27:58,690
bait that we can use you know I had a

3334
02:28:02,580 --> 02:28:01,030
report of a flying fish once and I

3335
02:28:04,170 --> 02:28:02,590
thought you know how would you how would

3336
02:28:05,610 --> 02:28:04,180
you duplicate that I guess use a

3337
02:28:14,790 --> 02:28:05,620
sky-blue apalla

3338
02:28:18,570 --> 02:28:14,800
lure maybe would work what one situation

3339
02:28:20,310 --> 02:28:18,580
and this is goes back to with my son who

3340
02:28:24,570 --> 02:28:20,320
did a couple tours in Iraq and

3341
02:28:26,700 --> 02:28:24,580
Afghanistan he's a ranger sniper and he

3342
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came out to visit dad and it was windy

3343
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:28,780
it was cold it was December we had

3344
02:28:33,660 --> 02:28:31,840
probably 60 70 mile-an-hour wind gusts

3345
02:28:36,180 --> 02:28:33,670
down at the base of the look at choukai

3346
02:28:38,550 --> 02:28:36,190
mountains but I took him down into red

3347
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:38,560
Valley into what we now call a

3348
02:28:43,639 --> 02:28:40,560
skinwalker waa

3349
02:28:47,210 --> 02:28:43,649
and just to you know give him a feel for

3350
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things in in my spidey senses said we

3351
02:28:51,109 --> 02:28:49,409
had somebody tailing us

3352
02:28:53,630 --> 02:28:51,119
I really couldn't figure out what it was

3353
02:28:55,849 --> 02:28:53,640
and we wanted to have a cigarette by the

3354
02:28:56,569 --> 02:28:55,859
way I'm smoking an e-cigarette now I'm

3355
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trying to quit

3356
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by the way cigarette you by the

3357
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pharmaceutical grade glycerin nicotine

3358
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you load it into an atomizer you push

3359
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the little button with a battery and it

3360
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gives you pharmaceutical grade nicotine

3361
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in a water vapor it's a nickel delivery

3362
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system yes

3363
02:29:23,330 --> 02:29:19,470
highly recommended and Steph just

3364
02:29:26,510 --> 02:29:23,340
injecting it no smoke no no you know

3365
02:29:29,210 --> 02:29:26,520
carbon monoxide no tar but unfortunately

3366
02:29:32,870 --> 02:29:29,220
as I found out JC you can't smoke them

3367
02:29:42,949 --> 02:29:32,880
on Amtrak unfortunately smoke my planes

3368
02:29:45,380 --> 02:29:42,959
that's okay have an alternative to the

3369
02:29:51,290 --> 02:29:45,390
coffee let's hear the story of your

3370
02:29:53,809 --> 02:29:51,300
son's a ranger we wanted to have a

3371
02:29:56,989 --> 02:29:53,819
cigarette and the wind was just howling

3372
02:29:59,779 --> 02:29:56,999
and we were over by Shiprock earlier the

3373
02:30:01,639 --> 02:29:59,789
actual rock and we got I mean yes the

3374
02:30:04,699 --> 02:30:01,649
wind was so terrible

3375
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:04,709
we got down and skinwalker Worcester and

3376
02:30:09,609 --> 02:30:07,439
red Dali and I saw a rock face that had

3377
02:30:11,989 --> 02:30:09,619
fallen off a cliff and it was about

3378
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:11,999
thirty feet high by a hundred feet long

3379
02:30:18,620 --> 02:30:16,010
a big red rock with two or three feet

3380
02:30:20,510 --> 02:30:18,630
between this rock and the canyon wall

3381
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:20,520
that's let's go back in there I checked

3382
02:30:25,340 --> 02:30:22,170
it out quarterback in there we're

3383
02:30:27,229 --> 02:30:25,350
smoking we're jokin talking and I really

3384
02:30:30,109 --> 02:30:27,239
seriously I said to him if something's

3385
02:30:32,300 --> 02:30:30,119
been following us it knows we're behind

3386
02:30:34,729 --> 02:30:32,310
this rock face it can't see us right now

3387
02:30:36,739 --> 02:30:34,739
but it knows we're back here it's going

3388
02:30:37,399 --> 02:30:36,749
to expose itself it's gonna be out in

3389
02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:37,409
the open

3390
02:30:44,630 --> 02:30:40,770
looking at this rock face wondering what

3391
02:30:47,989 --> 02:30:44,640
happened to us I said I'd buy a

3392
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:47,999
skinwalker no I I told my son I'm gonna

3393
02:30:51,320 --> 02:30:50,640
jump out and face right you jump out and

3394
02:30:54,380 --> 02:30:51,330
face

3395
02:30:56,570 --> 02:30:54,390
left and we'll see what we have when we

3396
02:30:59,689 --> 02:30:56,580
jumped out dad goes dick my son goes dad

3397
02:31:01,099 --> 02:30:59,699
dead oh yeah and he tried to get him one

3398
02:31:03,860 --> 02:31:01,109
of the binoculars up just to look

3399
02:31:06,620 --> 02:31:03,870
through one of the radicals to look at

3400
02:31:08,750 --> 02:31:06,630
this creature and by the time I spun

3401
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:08,760
around it was gone the last thing he

3402
02:31:15,290 --> 02:31:11,850
expected to see was a 3-foot high at the

3403
02:31:19,210 --> 02:31:15,300
shoulder 14 foot long Komodo dragon

3404
02:31:24,320 --> 02:31:19,220
looking creature with a rhino hide not

3405
02:31:26,630 --> 02:31:24,330
not a lizard hide but a rhino hide and I

3406
02:31:30,469 --> 02:31:26,640
ran down the side of this hill we did a

3407
02:31:33,139 --> 02:31:30,479
horseshoe I would say three foot hide

3408
02:31:35,420 --> 02:31:33,149
the shoulders about 12 to 14 feet long I

3409
02:31:38,030 --> 02:31:35,430
would put its weight at about a thousand

3410
02:31:39,380 --> 02:31:38,040
pounds and that's the last we expected

3411
02:31:41,540 --> 02:31:39,390
to see he's been following dad's

3412
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:41,550
research for years you know everything's

3413
02:31:45,920 --> 02:31:44,010
a Bigfoot everything's a Bigfoot the

3414
02:31:48,500 --> 02:31:45,930
last thing he expected to see was

3415
02:31:51,290 --> 02:31:48,510
something of that variety stepping out

3416
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:51,300
from behind that rock face but that's

3417
02:31:56,889 --> 02:31:54,479
another thing too and it worked and this

3418
02:31:59,360 --> 02:31:56,899
is with you know something of that genre

3419
02:32:02,179 --> 02:31:59,370
another thing we did in Land Between the

3420
02:32:04,519 --> 02:32:02,189
Lakes back in June we had

3421
02:32:05,960 --> 02:32:04,529
forward-looking infra-red and I wanted

3422
02:32:09,500 --> 02:32:05,970
to get this gentleman up where he could

3423
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:09,510
actually scan out across a cornfield

3424
02:32:15,769 --> 02:32:12,090
that they hadn't planted that year so we

3425
02:32:17,900 --> 02:32:15,779
hiked up this little road and we bedded

3426
02:32:20,090 --> 02:32:17,910
down in the cornfield well the one thing

3427
02:32:24,290 --> 02:32:20,100
that was following us we went through

3428
02:32:26,900 --> 02:32:24,300
about 20 feet of thick trees and scrub

3429
02:32:29,750 --> 02:32:26,910
and underbrush then we jumped down into

3430
02:32:31,969 --> 02:32:29,760
this three foot high grass in the field

3431
02:32:33,679 --> 02:32:31,979
the guy that been following us got

3432
02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:33,689
really frustrated while we're in there

3433
02:32:38,450 --> 02:32:36,210
for a few minutes and he took a big

3434
02:32:40,490 --> 02:32:38,460
stick and started beating it on the road

3435
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:40,500
and we could hear it and it's very loud

3436
02:32:45,019 --> 02:32:42,479
and we jumped up out of the cornfield

3437
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:45,029
made her way back through the brush but

3438
02:32:48,500 --> 02:32:46,560
he couldn't see us anymore

3439
02:32:50,719 --> 02:32:48,510
that's the thing he was right behind us

3440
02:32:52,880 --> 02:32:50,729
he couldn't see us anymore we ducked

3441
02:32:54,559 --> 02:32:52,890
down through the woods we ducked down

3442
02:32:57,260 --> 02:32:54,569
into the high grass and he became

3443
02:33:01,250 --> 02:32:57,270
frustrated and that was a sasquatch in

3444
02:33:03,290 --> 02:33:01,260
pursuit in this particular case but we

3445
02:33:05,210 --> 02:33:03,300
outsmarted him he couldn't see us

3446
02:33:06,859 --> 02:33:05,220
anymore he didn't have a

3447
02:33:08,540 --> 02:33:06,869
all honest I don't know if he was

3448
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:08,550
sending a message to someone or

3449
02:33:13,309 --> 02:33:11,010
something else by beating the stick on

3450
02:33:14,840 --> 02:33:13,319
the road or whatever but you know we

3451
02:33:17,269 --> 02:33:14,850
dropped out of sight he became

3452
02:33:21,800 --> 02:33:17,279
frustrated my son and I drop out of

3453
02:33:24,109 --> 02:33:21,810
sight and you know the Komodo dragon

3454
02:33:26,870 --> 02:33:24,119
comes out into the open to watch the

3455
02:33:34,670 --> 02:33:26,880
rock face for when we come out or if we

3456
02:33:35,149 --> 02:33:34,680
come out Wow I'm gobsmacked that's all I

3457
02:33:38,179 --> 02:33:35,159
can say

3458
02:33:40,429 --> 02:33:38,189
Wow I'm telling you Jesse I can't wait

3459
02:33:42,710 --> 02:33:40,439
to to work on this little expedition

3460
02:33:44,330 --> 02:33:42,720
that we've been talking about and get

3461
02:33:48,109 --> 02:33:44,340
out there in your neck of the woods

3462
02:33:53,830 --> 02:33:48,119
maybe do the juice Gus or you know some

3463
02:33:59,359 --> 02:33:57,290
I'm leaving the truce kiss for BFRO they

3464
02:34:03,590 --> 02:33:59,369
own them they can have them so oh okay

3465
02:34:05,569 --> 02:34:03,600
go boys good boys go ahead question JC

3466
02:34:07,340 --> 02:34:05,579
cuz we don't have much time left and

3467
02:34:09,949 --> 02:34:07,350
this is the kind of show where we have

3468
02:34:12,380 --> 02:34:09,959
to do two or three just listening to you

3469
02:34:15,830 --> 02:34:12,390
and Chris talk shops you just sit back

3470
02:34:18,349 --> 02:34:15,840
relax you know have a soft drink I don't

3471
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:18,359
do the hard stuff and just let it happen

3472
02:34:23,330 --> 02:34:20,970
okay so from here where do you go you're

3473
02:34:24,769 --> 02:34:23,340
gonna do war this kind of research do

3474
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:24,779
you see an endgame where you could just

3475
02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:27,930
feel vindicated science says okay there

3476
02:34:33,019 --> 02:34:30,090
Bigfoot the Thunderbirds and all this

3477
02:34:35,149 --> 02:34:33,029
stuff can that happen I think we start

3478
02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:35,159
with the Sasquatch the Bigfoot and and

3479
02:34:41,179 --> 02:34:38,399
my biggest hope is the DNA study to go

3480
02:34:43,550 --> 02:34:41,189
forward and then we all get to start all

3481
02:34:46,370 --> 02:34:43,560
over and the way you've been doing

3482
02:34:49,279 --> 02:34:46,380
research some of you when you get the

3483
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:49,289
news what this is all really about we're

3484
02:34:54,410 --> 02:34:52,319
all gonna start all over and there'll be

3485
02:34:58,160 --> 02:34:54,420
more discussion there'll be more

3486
02:34:59,989 --> 02:34:58,170
interest in Sasquatch you'll see that

3487
02:35:03,050 --> 02:34:59,999
this would be the shot that's heard

3488
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:03,060
around the world whether it's accepted

3489
02:35:08,389 --> 02:35:05,760
by the public or not if we get better

3490
02:35:12,170 --> 02:35:08,399
approval rating than some politicians

3491
02:35:13,880 --> 02:35:12,180
we're doing good sorry some of those

3492
02:35:16,130 --> 02:35:13,890
politicians it won't take much to get a

3493
02:35:18,900 --> 02:35:16,140
higher approval race you know

3494
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:18,910
getting all this stuff out on the table

3495
02:35:23,580 --> 02:35:21,130
here's the scientific evidence of

3496
02:35:26,310 --> 02:35:23,590
something we're sharing this planet with

3497
02:35:28,860 --> 02:35:26,320
we start there and you know what that

3498
02:35:32,580 --> 02:35:28,870
opens up all the other avenues and doors

3499
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:32,590
to explore these other unknown perhaps

3500
02:35:37,350 --> 02:35:34,720
cryptids I'm not really interested in

3501
02:35:39,780 --> 02:35:37,360
anything in the paranormal variety I'm

3502
02:35:41,610 --> 02:35:39,790
interested in flesh-and-blood cryptids

3503
02:35:43,260 --> 02:35:41,620
that are here among us where do our

3504
02:35:45,660 --> 02:35:43,270
listeners find more information about

3505
02:35:48,750 --> 02:35:45,670
what JC Johnson does you know you could

3506
02:35:51,900 --> 02:35:48,760
add me on Facebook too okay just look

3507
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:51,910
for JC Johnson on Facebook I think I'm

3508
02:35:55,889 --> 02:35:53,680
wearing a cowboy hat or something yeah a

3509
02:35:58,500 --> 02:35:55,899
black hat but for the dude in the black

3510
02:36:02,040 --> 02:35:58,510
hat add me on Facebook we can start

3511
02:36:05,700 --> 02:36:02,050
there you can find this on type in

3512
02:36:07,800 --> 02:36:05,710
crypto four-corners google it you'll

3513
02:36:10,710 --> 02:36:07,810
find us you'll find us you can find us

3514
02:36:14,250 --> 02:36:10,720
on YouTube crypto for corners find me

3515
02:36:16,469 --> 02:36:14,260
there I run the the Krypton four corners

3516
02:36:18,719 --> 02:36:16,479
video part of it so when you talk with

3517
02:36:22,050 --> 02:36:18,729
them you're talking to me we can add you

3518
02:36:23,370 --> 02:36:22,060
on facebook we can email you all kinds

3519
02:36:24,990 --> 02:36:23,380
of interesting things speaking of

3520
02:36:27,179 --> 02:36:25,000
interesting things Chris O'Brien where'd

3521
02:36:29,969 --> 02:36:27,189
we find more of your stuff well I'm here

3522
02:36:33,450 --> 02:36:29,979
at the pear cast forums formed out the

3523
02:36:35,460 --> 02:36:33,460
podcast comm I also have a website I

3524
02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:35,470
keep promising is being revamped our

3525
02:36:40,620 --> 02:36:37,930
strange planet and you can find me

3526
02:36:43,260 --> 02:36:40,630
lurking about the latest weird sighting

3527
02:36:45,270 --> 02:36:43,270
here in the southwest chances are if I

3528
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:45,280
can make it out there you'll see me

3529
02:36:48,179 --> 02:36:45,610
there

3530
02:36:50,070 --> 02:36:48,189
okay JC Johnson thanks for joining us on

3531
02:37:00,251 --> 02:36:50,080
the power cast pleasure to be here

3532
02:37:06,801 --> 02:37:03,770
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3533
02:37:09,640 --> 02:37:06,811
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3534
02:37:13,401 --> 02:37:09,650
presentation of making the impossible